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Phuket Expat Renter Stole and Sold Motorcycle, Say Police

Friday, September 21, 2012
PHUKET: The arrest in Pattaya of a Danish man accused of selling a motorcycle hired on Phuket shows how widespread thefts are becoming, a vendor spokesman said today.

''There are so many thefts by tourists,'' said Anont Mhan-Lee, the Patong-based president of the Motorcycle Rental Association.

His concern came in an interview with Phuketwan as Dennis Mark Knudsen, 24, was being escorted back to Phuket from Pattaya.

''Some tourists these days have a fake passport and a real one,'' said Khun Anont. ''They present the fake one to the hirer.

''They steal the bike, sell it, then flee the country with the proceeds.''

According to Phuket police, Mr Knudsen only got as far as Pattaya where local police nabbed him in an Internet cafe near the day-night market about 5pm yesterday.

Mr Knudsen, arrested on a warrant issued on Phuket on August 27, denied stealing the motorcycle. He said he would wait to talk to a judge when he appears in court.

Motorcycles for hire have become contentious on Phuket, with honorary consuls urging hirers to become more careful about the skills of riders - especially on big motorcycles - before hiring them to novices.

The level of concern has increased following the deaths of two Frenchmen who came off a 400 cc motorcycle and were killed within 24 hours of their arrival on Phuket.

As well as safety concerns, Khun Anont said today that hirers needed to be more careful for their own protection.

He could not give a precise figure but said the number of motorcycles being stolen by people using fake passports had risen and would reach new heights this high season.

Efforts to put a gps into motorcycles had so far proved fruitless, although the car hirers who had the same problem were now being encouraged to track their vehicles that way.

A gps for a motorcycle was too expensive, though, at 20,000-25,000 baht, Khun Anont said.

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The solution would be simple and used all over the world. Require a Credit Card to rent a car or motorbike, and why not a Jet Ski too.

The CC company's involvement requires the renter to issue a proper rental agreement. Furthermore it has to be a legally registered company with VAT ID number. Much safer for the customer.

Equally the Credit Card functions as both a collateral and positive identification for the rental company, thus virtually eliminating their risk and invalidating any excuse given for the illegal practise of keeping passports as collateral

A win-win situation for everyone, except those who wish to avoid paying taxes, run damage/lost property scams or charge excessive fees for actual damage caused.

Going official will hardly appeal to these individuals but put the proposal to them and see what excuses they come up with not to. I'll be fun to watch.

Posted by Andrew on September 21, 2012 16:54

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Great post Andrew! Getting a merchant account to handle CC payments is not easy. Would weed out the riff raff. Add'l tax rev. would also be helpful.

Posted by GiantFan on September 21, 2012 17:35

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whatif the gps is removed before stealing?

and a 400 cc scooter is not a motorcycle in my eyes

and in thailand over 30 thais die every day driving a scooter
, over 10 km/h, ah when standing still, and your head goes on the ground thats it then for you

please everyone, just stand up and let yourself fall backwards so that your heads hit the ground, try it,
NO one would but driving is fine ?

Posted by krista on September 21, 2012 17:43

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Andrew I don't disagree with what you are saying but have to shake my head. The solution (however naive it may sound) is for people to treat each other with respect, dignity and use their own brains. Don't hire motorcycles if you can't drive one (especially in a foreign country where you don't know the roads, surfaces, traffic patterns and are going to be drunk). Don't steal other peoples things, don't lie about being robbed, raped,etc. don't call local people names and don't cheat each other etc. Part of why I came here was the lack of restriction, seemingly a place with laws relying on people's ability to know right from wrong and use their heads instead of laws forcing behavior, true freedom. The years spent here have taught me that most people need laws, restrictions, and watching. The longer I stay here the restrictions and guidelines of the west that I thought stupid and senseless look more and more necessary. This idiot for example will cause more restriction and gives all foreign visitors a bad name. I have a Thai friend who has rented cars by word of mouth for the nearly 20 years I have known him. He is honest, fair and competent. In the last year he has had 3 cars stolen by renters (all caught). Over the years I have watched the locals lose respect for westerners and it is not hard to understand why. It is also sad, many here comment on greed and corruption of the locals but never on the greed, corruption and lack of morals of the expat community. Newsflash: your house needs cleaning.

Posted by Martin on September 21, 2012 18:15

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A gps for a motorcycle was too expensive, though, at 20,000-25,000 baht, Khun Anont said.
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someone is making big bux off these, online they are under $6k bht

Posted by mikey on September 21, 2012 21:48

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a fake Passport should be easy to distinguish,there shouldn't be a visa or entry stamp in it...
More thefts than in the past ? But also much more tourists and rental companies. Don't underestimate that the type of tourist coming to Phuket now also is very much different from that what it was in the past.

Posted by Resident on September 22, 2012 00:05

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Martin...You have posted the absolute truth. I could not explain it ANY better. Thanks.

Posted by Ted Davis on September 22, 2012 09:45

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There have in the past been some reported cases where Thai rented a motor vehicle and sold it on.

But regarding this claim: "but said the number of motorcycles being stolen by people using fake passports had risen and would reach new heights this high season."
I would say has risen from 0 to 1, with the new height also being 1.

Posted by stevenl on September 22, 2012 10:27

Editor Comment:

We have no reason to dispute the claim that expats are just as likely to steal vehicles as locals. It's odd that you would, stevenl, given that expats also take drugs, commit frauds and kill each other and locals on Phuket.

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@ editor: if you want to react, please react to what I said, not to what you think I said. I talked about fake passports, not specifically about expats.

Posted by stevenl on September 22, 2012 14:26

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I'd be surprised if any Thai uses a passport when hiring a motorcycle in Thailand, stevenl.

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@ Martin

Your solution is anything but naive. It's how it should be and my sentiment about rules and regulations is precisely the same, though I never fled them in the first place.

However the change we both would want to see happening will take a generation at best, where as the CC requirement could be implemented and enforced in an instant.

In reality neither will happen, simply because there's no will to end scamming and skimming the foreigners.

In those 20 years the "Phuket Product" has also changed dramatically. Once a pristine, unspoiled and authentic old fishing village, Patong is now perhaps the most corrupt city in Thailand bursting with sleeze 2nd only to Pattaya.

Little wonder the clientel has taken a slide to the worse too.

You build it and they will come.

Posted by Andrew on September 22, 2012 20:13


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