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Hannah Witheridge, 23, and David Miller, 24: FBI may help out

Thailand Island Killings: Police May Call in FBI to Solve Murder of British Pair

Friday, September 19, 2014
PHUKET: Police investigating the brutal murder of two British tourists at a holiday island in Thailand are considering asking the FBI to help, a senior officer said today.

Royal Thai Police Deputy Commander, Somyot Pum Muing, told reporters that detectives needed the latest technology to deal with the clues that could lead them to the killer or killers of Hannah Witheridge, 23, and David Miller, 24.

The bodies of the pair were found on a small beach on the holiday island of Koh Tao on Monday but a series of leads and likely suspects have emerged and vanished on closer inspection in the days since.

Calling in American assistance could expose deficiencies in the way the double homicide case has been conducted so far but Thai police are alarmed at the prospects of the killer or killers escaping with the British media particularly critical of the lack of results so far.

A reward of 100,000 baht for clues leading to an arrest has been offered by the residents of Koh Tao. They have been shocked by the brutal slaying in their community and are fearful of a reaction that could damage the island's tourism.

That's the reason why the suggestion of FBI involvement is being raised. Attempts to match DNA samples from the bodies of the victims and a cigarette found nearby have failed.

A British tourist and Burmese workers were among 12 early suspects who, despite police suspicions, could not be linked to the killings.

Not just one but five cigarette butts found near the bodies on the small beach have been checked. One of them is tinged with lipstick.

Police would still like to talk to a man of Asian appearance who was captured on grainy black and white security camera footage proceeding back and forth nearby, not far from the cove where the bodies were found.

They also want to identify a guitar-playing man who was strumming and singing under a tamarind tree early that Monday, not far from the beach.

More of the holiday island's labor force of 4000 workers are being interviewed, said Major General Panya Mamen, the Commander of Region 8, who oversees a district that stretches west to Phuket on the Andaman coast and south to the border with Malaysia.

''We are adding 150 officers to the 150 officers already involved in the operation,'' he said today. ''We remain confident we will catch whoever is responsible.''

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Why FBI, not British agencies?

Posted by Sue on September 19, 2014 22:58

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No disrespect to the local Thai police but honestly they are ill equipped to deal with a double murder which is becoming painfully apparent.

Prime suspects were allowed to leave prior to being properly processed and vital evidence has been lost. The crime scenes, as there are more than one, were contaiminated, cross contamination occurred, the list of errors that occurred is endless. Far to many people entered the crime scenes, from media to rubber neckers.

Again, this is not necessarily the fault of the Thai police with little experience of cases like this and inadequate training.

What I fail to understand is why they want to call in the FBI. Neither victim was American. Scotland Yard would be a far better option. They are well equipped to assist with this, have more than enough experience in such matters and the victims were British.

It's not a case of saving face...it's a matter of finding the guilty.

Posted by Lord Melchett on September 20, 2014 00:42

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very good idea

Posted by sky on September 20, 2014 05:19

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Even though the FBI have shown themselves to be assclowns on occasion, if they do get involved, there is probably a good chance of solving this.

Posted by fw on September 20, 2014 06:05

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Sue, that is the most pertinant, sensible post you have ever made.

Posted by Sues Leaning on September 20, 2014 08:23

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Dealing with Brits one would have thought Scotland Yard would be a better choice to deal with than the FBI.

Posted by Mister Ree on September 20, 2014 09:29

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I don't get it. DNA collected on Koh Tao was collected, processed and compared within 16 hours. 12 people were cleared of this crime due to DNA comparisons. EVERYTHING I read says that it takes a minimum of 5 to 7 days to process and compare DNA. Why would the investigators claim the unbelievable?

Posted by Bodysurf NaiHarn on September 20, 2014 10:08

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@Bodysurf

DNA testing can take several days to several weeks, a lot depending on the type of samples to be profiled and of course the nature of the crime.

DNA testing can easily be completed within 24 hours, again depending upon the number and quality of crime scene stains and how many samples from suspects there are. It is not un feasible for such a low number of suspects to be processed for comparison with crime scene stains. It would also depend on how many comparison markers they are using to eliminate or implicate a person of interest.

Most 'suspects' DNA is taken through a buccal swab (swab from the inside of the cheek) but blood can be taken or even hair.

DNA testing is a very complex subject and there are many types of DNA testing and profiling that can be undertaken. Did you know for example that DNA has a half life over over 500 years?

DNA profiles can be obtained from any body fluid and basically anything that comes from the body that contains cells. You can even obtain DNA from a fingerprint by using a process called Low Copy Number (LCN). DNA testing and profiling is a vast and complex subject, so I won't try and summarise it here.

Whilst DNA profiling and comparison is a massively useful tool for law enforcement it has it's dangers, mainly from cross contamination. This is best described by Locards Law which says that every contact leaves a trace.

So wherever you go and whatever you do, you will leave your DNA there. Sleep in a hotel? You will leave your DNA there. Another person could stay in that same room after you, collect your deposited DNA on their clothes which can then be transferred elsewhere. Scary thought huh? This is why you see Scenes of Crime Officers wearing the white noddy suits, gloves, goggles masks and over boots to prevent cross contamination

Take this case. The police, through lack of knowledge have allowed massive contamination of the crime scenes. There was absolutely no control of the crime scene, evidenced by media intrusion, there were police and bystanders all over the scene etc etc. Bottom line is it was badly managed.

Let me put it this way. How many crime scenes do you think there was?

Well purely based on what I can read from news articles you have...the area the bodies were found which may have two or three different areas, each body is a crime scene, their rooms are crime scenes, each and every suspect is a crime scene. For each scene you would have one set of police officers and one SOCO team. Suspects should never come into contact with any other crime scene. No suspect should travel in the same car....the list is massive. As you can see it's a very complex system which is why you have a Crime Scene Manager to keep track.

Every person that enters the crime scenes should have their DNA and fingerprints taken for elimination, along with their clothing.

As you can see, unlike the popular media like NCIS or Dexter it's not straightforward, simple and easy. It requires a huge amount of planning and control.

This is why any external investigating agency coming in would have a monumental task. They have to play catch up.

Hope that clarifies a little your question and maybe adds some useful information.

Posted by Lord Melchett on September 20, 2014 14:18


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