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Songkran Holiday Decision: Booze Wins

Thursday, March 19, 2009
Update
No alcohol ban for Songkran is the ruling from the National Committee for Alcohol Consumption Control. Authorities feared a ban could harm Thailand's tourism industry.

BOOZE has become the battleground this Songkran as two of Thailand's most influential policymakers take opposite stances.

In one corner is Public Health, calling for alcohol to be banned or at the very least seriously restricted over the three days of the water festival, from midnight on April 11.

In the other corner is Tourism and Sport, pointing out that Thailand's renowned international industry will suffer if any kind of ban is imposed.

So let's ask some key questions . . . do tourists always need access to alcohol, even if it causes deaths and mayhem on Thailand's roads?

Or are they prepared to forgo a drink for three days to save lives?

And should bar owners and bar staff be the ones who sacrifice their income, from a legal industry?

The Bangkok Post reports that Tourism and Sports Minister Chumpol Silpa-archa opposed the Public Health Ministry's plan to ban the sales, saying it would harm the already crippled tourism industry.

But Deputy Public Health Minister Manit Nopamornbode insisted a survey conducted by his ministry had found that most tourists do not consider drinking to be the main purpose of their visit.

They prefer to enjoy the culture and visit tourist destinations.

There is no doubt that alcohol fuels the level of road deaths and mishaps over Songkran. On Phuket we've seen motorcycle riders topple from their bikes, unassisted.

But it's also true that on Phuket, against the national trend, the number of mishaps has been slashed by an awareness campaign and police checkpoints throughout the festival.

In some years, it has actually been safer on Phuket roads at Songkran than at most other times of the year.

Public Health has proposed two options:.

..A complete halt to alcohol sales from midnight April 11 to midnight April 14.

..Licensed restaurants and entertainment venues to serve alcohol from 6pm to midnight during the three-day period.

Tourism's Khun Chumpol (we presume drinking is not yet a sport) said the government should delay the ban on alcohol sales during Songkran until at least next year.

He said the government needed additional tourism revenues to reverse the sharp drop in earnings from exports and investment.

Phuket is likely to be packed with tourists during the three days of the festival, which this year coincides with Easter.

If there is a total ban on alcohol being served, should the tourists who have booked to visit Phuket be warned, so they have the chance to cancel and go to another country?

Public Health is rightly concerned about the cost of a festival in deaths and damaged lives. But is an alcohol ban the answer, or should moderation be encouraged by awareness and improved policing?

The National Committee on Alcohol Policy is to choose which of the two Public Health proposals will be implemented, or possibly reject them both.

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If tourists can't go to bars for three days, without warning, many will be outraged and never return to Thailand. This April is the last peak in tourism before the bottom falls out by the second half of the month. The conclusion drawn from this obtrusive busy body's poll is intentionally misleading. Of course tourists don't come all the way to Thailand for drinking first and foremost. But does that mean they don't want to be able to have a few drinks at night? Most don't drive anyway. And the irresponsible minority of reckless drunks who drive & drink will already have bought their booze in advance anyway. Who's in charge in Thailand these days, the Taliban?

Posted by Mango on March 19, 2009 12:18

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So tourists here on their hols will be unable to enjoy a drink for three whole days, oblivious to the fact that the locals can buy all the booze they want at any time of the day from the local 'mom and pop' shop. What a joke.

Posted by tamsin on March 19, 2009 23:29

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What on earth are you talking about with your mealy mouthed comment 'do tourists need to access alcohol even though it causes death and mayhem on Thailand's roads'?! The insane driving by the locals, without or without alcohol, together with the non implementation of traffic rules by the police, cause death and mayhem on Thailand's roads every damn day of the year!

Posted by tim farrell on March 19, 2009 23:36

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Well said Tim. Thai folks kill themselves quite happily without interference from drinking farangs. Yes and we cannot even stop to save lives at accident scenes, even though some of us are highly trained to do so. Makes you think hey ?

Posted by Graham on March 20, 2009 07:53

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Start teaching the Thais how to ride a motorcycle and drive a car in an manner that closely resembles logical commonsense and abiding by the traffic laws and there will be a huge difference to the carnage on the roads, Songkhran or no Songkhran.

To stop the Tourist from being able to enjoy a drink on there once ( for many of them ) in a life time holiday would be detrimental to Tourism in Thailand.

They will go home completely stunted that they were not able to have a drink when they wanted and tell everyone with an ear not to go to Thailand.

What t*** wrote this article???
You certainly do not have your finger on the pulse.

Posted by Bigbanana on March 20, 2009 08:02

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I'd like to see the stats from the last 5 years or so on who is involved in these accidents that involve alcohol on Songkran? How many tourists compared to Thai nationals? What's the ratio??

Posted by 5YearsinThailand on March 20, 2009 08:23

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It never ceases to amaze me how expats see themselves as a different species. They don't have to obey the law of the country where they live, nor are they the slightest bit concerned about whether an alcohol ban for a lousy 72 hours might save a few hundred lives. Get between them and their next drink, and look out.

Posted by angelfire on March 20, 2009 08:58

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Bigbanana . . . Great comment. Couldn't have put it myself.
In England, there's no alcohol ban at New Year (or Xmas). In fact, any part of the year. Alcohol related accidents are low. Why? Because anyone caught gets a big fine / potential imprisonment and banned from driving. People know the consequences and have also been instructed on how to ride / drive a vehicle in a safe and considerate manner.

Posted by Anonymous on March 20, 2009 10:40

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Hello Angelfire, please show me your work permit and Thai Drivers licence to show us you are in fact a settled expat or Thai, then feel free to chirp about an alcohol ban. It did not work last year or the year before ok. It is the fast flowwing water riders on wet roads that kills the people not alcohol, dude ?

Posted by Graham on March 20, 2009 14:23

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Wonder what side of the debate the author is on ..."So let's ask some key questions . . . do tourists always need access to alcohol, even if it causes deaths and mayhem on Thailand's roads?
Or are they prepared to forgo a drink for three days to save lives? "
This phrasing to a question is called caging a reply and it's used a lot by US mainstream press to sway opinion results in " Opinion " polls.
Rather obvious, PhuketWan.
I agree the Thai propensity for lack of safety in every aspect of day to day living is to blame for high traffic accident rates, not alcohol.

Posted by Mustava Mond on March 20, 2009 14:33

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Every western nation accepts the link between alcohol and traffic deaths. Now Thailand does, too. That's progress. And here we have a collection of people who think there is no connection. The long list of dead expats on Phuket's roads includes many who would still be alive if not for alcohol. Public Health has a big job to do if it needs to persuade intelligent people of the obvious . . . the link between drinking and many deaths on the roads, here and everywhere else. What next? Smoking is good for you? The issue surely is whether a holiday ban also hurts tourism, and what can be done to achieve a win-win for public health AND tourism. There is no argument about whether or not alcohol kills.

Posted by angelfire on March 20, 2009 15:48

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Hey Anglefire, have you seen the folks sms'sing on a mocy at full speed then put the phone to there ear and talk, all this while weaving in and out of the traffic? Now thats what I can skilled or be killed, mate. Years of training that skill takes, without drink, however ya bah give a new dimention to it, go speed go?

Posted by Graham on March 20, 2009 17:17

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Anglefire you sound like a person that has not spent much time in Thailand and if you have then you have had your eyes and ears shut down.

I do not think that anyone is denying there is not a link between mixing alcohol and drive/riding a motor vehicle.

The point is that a very large percentage of the Touro's that visit Thailand do not actually participate in riding/driving motor vehicles.

Many and i mean many of them use footpower Motorcycle taxi's and Tuk Tuk's.

The largest percentage of road users by far are of course the Thai's themselves.

I believe that there have been something like 3 and a half deaths a week in m/cycle related accidents alcohol involved or not on the island alone for years now & about 170,000 m/cycle accidents that are reported to police each year let alone the ones that are not.

i do not see any sense in banning alcohol in a tourist area when stiff fines a ban /loss of license and consfication of the motor be enforced would do a great deal more to get it into the heads of the crazies out there that is certainly does not pay to break the law.

Do you actually live here in Thailand ???

Posted by Bigbanana on March 20, 2009 18:24

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Are you saying it's not worth saving several hundred lives by banning alcohol at Songkran because the tourists need their drugs, and the local motorcyclists will kill themselves anyway? Many tourists hire motorcycles and fall off them, some of them drunk. Safety campaigns have to begin somewhere. Songkran, with its bad reputation, is the best place to make a start. The tourist areas all contain Thais, too. So where do you draw the line: somewhere between ''us'' and ''them''? Shouldn't it be one country for everyone, with one set of laws?

Posted by angelfire on March 20, 2009 18:55

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Sure you can go start teaching the Thai police how to abide by the law first, as i have seen them on numerous occasions setting the bar for others to follow in regards to sticking to the road rules,

Good luck angel

Posted by Bigbanana on March 20, 2009 19:50

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Hi Angelfire, I wish you good fortune in your quest. How about one law for all motorists, one price for all people in Thailand and banning of salaengs off the road? Good luck, me friend.

Posted by Graham on March 21, 2009 07:34

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Bravo Graham bravo...

Posted by 5YearsinThailand on March 24, 2009 14:57

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Reading all of you debate here, I am a Thai, in some of comments seem not much respect to the Thais. No worries, I'll get over it!

OK, I know a lot of Thai drivers are bad, really bad, and I experience it myself. I honk at them too and I also honk at some bad foreign drivers. Thing is, yes, you don't need alcohol to create a bad drivers, alcohol create a worse kind. Not all Thai are bad drivers and not all foreigners are good drivers. That's the truth.

If you want to correct the bad driving habit, I believe it has to correct from the beginning. It's way to easy to get driving license in this country and it's way too difficult to take it away from them, they get ticket and police took their driving license, the next day, they get it back! Believe me, this is the truth as well. If that changed, maybe we would have more responsible drivers, I agree.

Having said this, there are also people trying to help from all aspects. We are Buddhism country and one of five precepts is 'Do not consume alcohol or other drugs. As all of you here aware, same as other religion, the rules, precepts is not always on the way of people practicing in life, although some of them do, but more that don't.

I personally think Ministry of Public Health just try to find some way to decrease the numbers of accident each year during Songkran holidays. While Ministry of Tourism and Sport try to generate more income to the country when they can during this difficult time. I only wish they can meet somewhere in the middle, the whole country is not Phuket, new law may apply to some part more than the others, so those other part can also survive since their income base on Tourism.

I wish not to debate with anyone, just want to leave my comment here.

Posted by Thai on March 31, 2009 12:38

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The last time I came back from Kata beach to Patong, the Tuc Tuc driver frightened me to death with his speeding, and probably was ''high'' on something ! ( 20 yrs Thailand )

Posted by elizabeth on March 31, 2009 21:35

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I hope the Update is not an April fools ruling, we have a big tour group coming in for Songkran ???

Posted by Graham on April 1, 2009 10:02


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