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Hundreds of lives have been lost to the sea as boatpeople seek a "better" life in Australia. This is a two sided debate if there is no life to be obtained in Australia less people will die trying to get there in boats that are over loaded and often cannot take the rough seas. Look at the recent disaster at Christmas island when the boat was smashed to pieces as it hit the island and many died.
Posted by Fiesty Farang on July 26, 2013 13:58
What a pity the Australian authorities, and the Australian people, are so cold-hearted. Many of them are the offspring of immigrants but their selfishness is such that they are unwilling to share their wealth with people who are deprived of alternatives. Thailand is far more hospitable and caring.
"Thailand is far more hospitable and caring".
Posted by sir burr on July 26, 2013 14:23
Are you aggregating bits of information out of context to support your own biases again, sir burr?
No one ever says anything about Japan's lack of taking in any refugees or the unwillingness to except migrants into the country.
Posted by Glassy on July 26, 2013 15:39
Australia is a large nation with lots of space. Japan doesn't have a lot of that. Give the Rohingya an outback town and a mining lease or two and their problems will be over.
Ed, you seem to be a bit bitter towards Australia, you forget, Australia at least provides safe passage to the camps, something Thailand doesn't, nor does Australia trade in slavery or inhumane conditions, if, in fact, like myself, you have worked at some of these camps, you would see that the "refugees" are treat extremely well, complaints come from a minority who may or may not have their OWN agenda. Before condemning a nation you should at least have some facts not just use you position to slander.
Posted by Phuket_IOC on July 26, 2013 15:39
Australia keeps captive children in primitive conditions, allows would-be refugees to suicide or stitch their lips together in protest and, if former guards have it right, permits serial rape in camps without intervention. No slander there. It's all true. Racist Aussies vote in racist governments. It's now an election race to see who can be the biggest racist. Appalling. Bring back Malcolm Fraser.
In fact the Thai are extraordinary generous,soft heartened and smiling people .Though Thailand is not a signatory of 1951 UN Convention regarding Refugees ,its records of sheltering tens of thousands of Refugees from neighboring counties is highly appreciable. We are very optimistic today that the helpless Rohingya detainees case would be ended as per international standard and . The concerned parties are well aware that the Rohingyas are escapees of genocide . These people must be save from greedy human traffickers. If the Rohingyas detainees are released and shelter at the refugee camps under the supervision of UNHCR ,they dirty trafficking business will be ended along the border sides.
Posted by Maung Kyaw Nu,President,Burmese Rohingya Association in Thailand (BRAT) on July 26, 2013 16:44
Agree wholehearted with @ED on your comments in relation to Australia. Australia needs to pull itself together - your comments in relation to racism within OZ is correct as seen by many immigrants over the last few years who have left other countries seeking work in Australia and the manner in which they have been treated by locals.
Posted by Ciaran on July 26, 2013 16:45
I strongly recommend that K Maung Kyaw Nu's comment be repeated as feature story.
Posted by ssresident on July 26, 2013 16:52
stop your whining and do something about the reason they need to leave in the first place
Posted by simon on July 26, 2013 19:15
Australia is one of the most generous nations in the world when it comes to taking refugees, so calling Australians selfish is pure ignorance. Saying Thailand is far more caring is laughable given some of the horrendous stuff that has happened to asylum seekers in Thailand. It's quite clear that you don't want to listen to facts anyway, you should really stop writing on important issues because you don't have the ability to do it properly.
Posted by Dave on July 27, 2013 05:01
I've spent enough time speaking to black Australians to know precisely how generous white Australians are, Dave. And when you talk about Australians, white monoculture Australians is what you mean. Playing sport, commuting on trams and trains, anyone who isn't the right color or doesn't speak ''like an Australian'' is still denigrated and abused. The boatpeople policy is shameful and exposes Australians as heartless to the whole world.
The fact is there are millions in camps doing the right thing and waiting their turn. Boat people are jumping in front of the real refugees. If the daily income is less than a dollar a day and you can pay $10000 for a boat ride, you then destroy your papers to hide your identity and expect to be let straight in. Don't know about you Ed but I don't know if they are genuine, economic refugees, bludgers or terrorists. I think they should automatically go to the back of the line for jumping the queue. Also you are an asylum seeker or refugee when you leave your country of origin. If you arrive at another country where you are safe and then choose to move onto another country then you are an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT. As far as the buses and trains story goes you are talking a minority and to label Australians racists is racist in itself. As far as the black Australians go then I suggest you spend 12 months in Kunnunurra or Port Hedland, be told you are a white c@#$ everyday and then get back to me.
Posted by Peter on July 27, 2013 10:07
Best learn a bit about the reason for the name-calling, Peter,visit the squalid camps where Australia's original ''owners'' live. Centuries of Australian racism has deprived them of their pride and their country. And if they are now looking on at prosperous, uncaring whites, what do you expect them to call you? Mate?
"Australia keeps captive children in primitive conditions, allows would-be refugees to suicide or stitch their lips together," Ed, you should visit these "primitive" conditions before commenting on something you obviously know NOTHING about. Australia does NOT allow people to suicide OR stitch their lips together, this is done without the authorities knowledge, in fact, most "stitching" incidents are FORCED upon the victims by more powerful groups within the refugees. As for "primitive, what a joke, my mother, as a baby, lived in a tent city, in Serpentine WA, no power, only kerosene lamps and stoves, the toilet was the old thunder box, the refugee camps are luxury compare to them. You go on to say Australia has "lots of space," you and I BOTH know the most of Australia is desert, do you want these people to live in the desert. Do you believe all nations should open their borders and allow free movement back and forwards? Your comment about racist people vote in racist governments would mean all voters from all nations are racist, including yourself, simply because they want to protect their borders.
Posted by Phuket_IOC on July 27, 2013 10:27
Australia has now decided to shunt all boatpeople to Papua New Guinea without checking whether they are really refugees or not. That flies in the face of compassion and international standards. It's racism in action. Refugee camps are not luxurious and, essentially, prisons. Most refugees would be delighted to live on the Australian mainland in the freedom your mother enjoyed, no matter what the conditions. Australia's poll-iticians accurately characterise the people who vote for them. Give the Rohingya an outback town and a couple of mining leases. Problem solved.
So Ed, the man of compassion. What are YOU doing about it with YOUR money? I didn't do anything to aboriginals and neither has the average white Ozzy. I have Aboriginal friends and an Asian wife. If you want to blame people then blame the catholic church and Great Britain for the plight of aboriginies.
Posted by Peter on July 27, 2013 13:32
I don't blame individuals for systemic racism but it would be a positive move if more Australians acknowledged the reality and urged their politicians to show that Australia and Australians have changed. Vote the people who are damaging your reputation around the world out of office.
Ed, without visiting the refugee camps, you are making more false assumptions, based on hearsay and NOT first hand experience, yet you refuse to accept facts from those who have actually been there. The "squalid," aboriginal, camps you mention do exist, but you fail to point out that these "camps", which are in fact villages, were in fact brand new at some stage, the reason they are squalid is NOT because of the white man. as a journalist you only paint a picture that suits your bigoted views, views that FAIL any real test, views that fly in the face of the truth, something you refuse to accept, because it is not what you believe. You accuse so many commenters of not knowing what they are talking about but you are by far the worse offender. A biter twisted old man, Australia is far better off without your bigotry and false reporting. By denying the truth, you are part of the problem. Oh, no matter what you say, I don't think the "refugees" would like to swap they existing camp, for one in the Simpson desert, another place I have been.
Posted by Phuket_IOC on July 27, 2013 13:53
This is about turning the boats around to Papua New Guinea, Phuket_IOC. As usual,you're still trying to explain away last century's human rights abuses by Australians. And you've descended once more into unwarranted personal abuse because you know you know Australia has got it wrong yet again. Could their governments be . . . racists? Shame on you for persevering and trying to justify an inhumane policy. The rest of the world is shocked, and with good cause.
Dear Ed ,
Posted by Grant on July 29, 2013 14:54
This is your first post, Grant. What leads you to draw a wrong conclusion with just one post? Surely you wouldn't be making assumptions or employing guesswork? Surely you wouldn't be issuing vague, meaningless threats? Please tell me more.
Posted by Grant on July 29, 2013 15:23
''Rest assured that all my friends in Phuket , and I have lived there 7 years , will now understand this as well.''
So Australia makes Thailand look good ?...but I don't think many will agree that Thailand make Australia look bad...? Maybe it is just a question of political observance ? More attention should be paid to the root cause for the migration and solve it there instead.
Posted by Sailor on July 29, 2013 16:00
Indeed. Sadly, Australia prefers to selfishly look after its own interests and ignore the needs of the region. Politicians from left and right there - tweedledum and tweedledee - now accurately mirror the materialistic, isolationist attitude of the average Aussie hedonist.
I truly believe Australians are not cold hearted people and have been emasculated by the bi-partisan Australian government's inhuman refugee policy. Time will judge this dark period of Australian politics badly.
Posted by Pe-Terr on July 31, 2013 21:46
The people on the boats coming to Australia are not refugees. They are actually invaders. They haven't spent any time in refugee camps set up in the middle east. They see the soft, and overly generous policies of the Australian Government have on offer for anyone who arrives on a boat with no documentation.
Posted by It's too late on August 1, 2013 03:42
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