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'Terrified' Phuket Tourist Slams Safety on Holed Dive Boat
By Alan Morison Saturday, May 5, 2012
PHUKET: Tourists on a dive boat that almost sank off Phuket yesterday were ''lucky to be alive,'' British actress Wendy Bain said today.
She and her writer husband Sam, a Chinese couple and four Scandinavians on the holed vessel were ''absolutely terrified'' by their experience as the dive boat took water and struggled to reach a nearby island.
''If the boat had stayed at sea we would have all been dead,'' the 45-year-old Londoner told Phuketwan. She was extremely critical of lack of safety precautions.
''There were 12 of us, eight passengers and four crew. The boat was carrying about one quarter of its capacity, yet there were only 12 lifejackets, just enough. My scuba instructor had to wear a wornout lifejacket with no clips that could be done up.''
She was surprised that the trip went ahead yesterday despite rough conditions before the dive boat left Phuket's Chalong Pier, on the island's east coast.
And she said she was told there was no liferaft being towed behind the vessel ''because of the drag.''
''Having said all that, the crew did all the right things once we got into trouble. We heard this loud bang on the way back from Phi Phi to Phuket. It seems there was a hole on the left side of the boat.
''They tried to pump the water out but the hole must have been too big. At that stage, they brought us all up on deck and handed out the lifejackets.
''We were so lucky the small island was nearby.''
The boat was driven towards a beach and the passengers were ordered to brace themselves when the boat ran onto the sand on Ko Kiew, between Phi Phi and Phuket.
''It was so incredibly dangerous,'' Mrs Bain said. ''There were a couple of other boats who came to our rescue. Dive instructors from one of the other boats came to fetch us, using buoys.
''Once we were on the rescue boat, we heard there was another boat in trouble, so we had to head back towards Phi Phi to help. By the time we got there, all the other passengers had been taken off.
''We were able to lend them our pump to help,'' she said. She said there were also reports of a third dive boat in trouble.
What mystified her, recovering today after the experience, was why the boats had gone to sea on a day when the dangers were so obvious. Other dive boats had decided not to venture out.
''When we left Chalong Bay in the morning it was already quite choppy,'' she said.
''There was no visibility at either of the dive sites. I did look up at the bottom of the boat from underneath, and it looked incredibly rusty to me.''
She said skippers on other boats based at Chalong had decided not to venture out.
''Other companies did not send out customers because it was so dangerous,'' she said. ''They knew it was going to be bad.''
The Bains had been enjoying their Phuket holiday for about a week. ''Phuket's a beautiful place,'' she said.
''The Indigo Pearl resort in Nai Yang is an incredibly artistic resort. Nai Yang is a charming non-mass touristy place.''
They head home tomorrow.
Wendy Bain is a popular television and stage actress and Sam Bain is a Bafta award-winning comedy writer.
Customers from three different dive companies were on board the boat, which Mrs Bain believes was rented from a fourth company.
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nothing new here. this is phuket. the baht is the most important of anything.
the real truth is if you had died, nothing would be done to improve safety. This is phuket.
Posted by
john
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May 5, 2012 13:37
This is not surprising at all. Safety will always be a distant second to money with most. It is the Phuket-way.
Posted by
kobee
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May 5, 2012 13:42
I know this boat - tell me, how does a wooden boat look rusty from beneath?
Posted by
Anonymous
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May 5, 2012 13:56
A responsible company will choose the best for their customers, not the cheapest.
Posted by
Ty
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May 5, 2012 15:46
Wow. An sensationalist article written around one persons quotes with no effort at looking for actual facts or offering the boat operator a chance to respond to this "popular" actresses remarks. 10 out of 10 for journalism.
Posted by
Anonymous
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May 5, 2012 16:20
Editor Comment:
We've already spoken to one of the dive companies involved, as reported in the earlier article. However, they weren't on the boat, Anonymous, so it's good to have a first-hand report from someone who was there. Thanks for the 10 out of 10 - we have to agree. We've even published your biased, nameless comment.
why so upset anonymous? looks like you earning bucks with diving?
dont tell me you believe the story of who? are you to long in thailand? is a british actress not honest enough?
Posted by
mike
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May 5, 2012 18:10
'There was no visibility at either of the dive sites. I did look up at the bottom of the boat from underneath, and it looked incredibly rusty to me.'
Must be the bad vis., to let her see shells as rust on a (probably;-) wooden hull.
Only curious: How many dives, how experienced is this actress?
Posted by
CC
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May 5, 2012 19:16
Editor Comment:
No relevance whatsoever, CC, to the issue, but hey, I guess if you think it matters, then risking the lives of tourists on a bad weather day seems less important.
No relevance? A unsatisfied customer is telling her story, but no questions are allowed, to ask for her qualification and objectivity? Even on this simple wrong thing with the rust? Or:'If the boat had stayed at sea we would have all been dead,' Dive boat, not ferry! Divers, with skills, dive equipment on board, no quick sinking. Gear up, get ready and stay together. If they had only 12 life west, shame on them, but 12 people on board,..., have they really only exact 12 life west on board? Ed, I'm not trying to defend, that the dive center didn't cancel the trip. But there are certain things in your article, that is 'making news', nor reporting them! How many Day boats have life rafts? How many (few) have a tender? Was the trip unsafe, uncomfortable or unlucky? Ed, you're asking here to call in, so it can be assumed, you are doing a investigative report, not only a opinion report! What was the reason for the water on board?
And no, I have nothing to do with the money earning part of the dive business. But I've done lots of trips, even in bad weather. I know, how things can change minds!
Posted by
CC
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May 5, 2012 19:47
Editor Comment:
CC, tell us why a person whose life was put at risk yesterday needs to follow your version of ''objectivity.'' So you are not earning a living from the dive industry? Neither are we, and neiither is she. My credentials on diving mishaps are to have been on the recovery boat when five of the seven bodies were brought up from the capsize of Dive Asia, the last really bad diving disaster off Phuket. It was not pleasant. Mrs Bain's credentials come from being an innocent tourist who thought she was going to die during what should have been a problem-free dive trip. To you, she's an ''unsatisfied customer.'' What are your credentials, CC?
Great nobody is dead. What a scary day trip... And sounded like this crew and other boat crews did their job well after getting into trouble. Good reporting, as usual. Thanks to Ms. Bain for sharing her story. Hope you have a nice evening today. :)
Posted by
Lena
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May 5, 2012 20:11
Risking the lives of tourists? On what authority do you say that? Is your opinion based on anything other than the hysterical report of a tourist whose ability to determine the safety of the boat is questionable at best?
Posted by
Lil
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May 5, 2012 20:30
Editor Comment:
I would be assuming at this point that you have some interest in the dive industry, Lil, and that you do not accurately understand the point of view of tourists who put their money, their faith, and their lives in the hands of people like you. The answer about who should determine the safety of tourists at sea is: not you.
She don't has to follow 'my version'. It was a unpleasant day for her, with a terrifying end. And it is more as obvious, that some of her 'reporting' is a result of even this being terrified. Also not knowing anything about the standards, diving operators (need to) follow in Thailand! Your articles have 'a little fact', and a lot opinion! Getting your credentials with the Dive Asia Boat, you probably tried, to get information, to clear things up, not to publish rumors, only!
Here, even with a much better ending, it can be good, to do the same! btw: you sure know, that the dive asia vessel accident was on other circumstances, right? Midnight, sleeping people, capsizes in 2 minutes. So I guess, you do not try, to bring the yesterday case on the same level, do you?
And to my credentials is only to say, I've been on dive-boats during trouble on sea. And I've 'seen' more dead bodies as 5, after Dez. 26.2004.
Posted by
CC
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May 5, 2012 20:47
Editor Comment:
I saw hundreds of tsunami dead and scores more in the Phuket plane crash, CC, as you seem to think non-diving calamity bodies are somehow relevant. Our prime concern is the safety of tourists and residents. What's yours, CC? Greedy and incompetent people should not be allowed to put the lives of visitors (and residents) at risk. Any boat that needs to have its passengers rescued should be the subject of an independent investigation. The article quotes the opinion of someone who was there. Were you, CC? Or are you just trying to avoid the day when an independent investigation will be compulsory, for the good of Phuket tourism?
Yeah but typical to Phuket, the boat and dive company wasn't named. Thus allowing them and the vessel to sneak back to business as usual as the tourist population cycles on and off the island.
Posted by
JingJing
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May 5, 2012 21:03
Editor Comment:
Three tour companies, one boat. No knowing for sure who was to blame, JingJing. Let's hope they sort it out themselves. What a pity there's no independent investigator.
Why did they got on board, if they were so surprised the trip hadn't been called off - and others weren't venturing out? Someone force them? I seriously doubt anyone was at risk, considering the adequate amount of life vests on board, and the immediate assistance they received. Just another attention grabbing actress if you ask me.
Posted by
agogohome
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May 5, 2012 21:10
Editor Comment:
''Why did they go on board?'' Because tourists trust Phuket tour operators with their lives, especially if they've prepaid and they believe what they've been told in websites and brochures. Who is at fault here? Oh yes! The tourists!
You're off your head, agogohome.
Surely each diver would have an Adjustable Bouyancy Life Jacket available. Or perhaps the crew grabbed them.
Posted by
chill
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May 5, 2012 21:52
No, editor, I do not worry about independent investigations, I would love them. I'm still waiting for the results of the Dive Asia accident Also for the results of the black boxes for the mentioned plane crash. But it doesn't look to good, to get them, right? Even the medias forget about this things, after a little while! For the plane crash, there was only a little note "The results of the black box got delivered from USA to Thailand authorities!" And nothing more!
Why do you not start one, for this easy case? That could be called investigative journalism, Ed!
Maybe start with following:
"Three tour companies, one boat. No knowing for sure who was to blame"
Maybe it's one Dive-tour company with boat and 2 dive-shop-booking-only offices without own boat?
You named Kamala Dive center, 'you spoke' with one of them, they schedule shows Friday a PhiPhi Trip. They 'have' a 'own' boat (rented from Aloha)! Sharkey's (Wendy mentioned their Booker) has on their site schedule for Friday a Code KD. Why do you not call this guy, who runs Sharky's? He will know the boat and company, they've been on. Or ask for the name of the boat, at 'Aloha'. You/PW wrote in the article , it's the owner of the boat. Actually, I'm not knowing, how many boats are running 'under' Aloha, but probably not so many, like Soksomboon is hiring out to Divecenters. So they can (if they want) tell you about the reason. Send a photographer, to verify that.
But instead of doing a proper investigative report, you publishing without comment, rumors of someone, who clearly has nothing else to say, as 'It was so terrifying for me, and very bad visibility under water, before. I couldn't even see , that the rust wasn't rust, because it was a wooden boat!'
And I like the add for West Coast, on Top of your 'homepage'!
Posted by
CC
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May 5, 2012 21:57
Editor Comment:
I'm not sure what your point is, CC, but if you want us to pursue investigations, perhaps you should pay your 20-year subscription first. Most people who read PW understand that our ability to report in depth is governed by our income, which dictates our resources. A check on this site will show that we reported both the Dive Asia sinking and the One-Two-Go crash thoroughly. If someone has reported either case more extensively, we missed it. Why not ask the relevant authorities to take these matters further? Only when sufficient numbers of readers are stirred to action is the truth ever revealed. And only when more passengers like Wendy Bain show the courage to speak out will the Phuket dive industry develop the safety standards it so clearly needs.
What a shame... it seems the people in the dive industry are the ones justifying what was a near tragedy.
One would think they would be the ones leading the charge for higher safety standards and an independent investigation into what happened.
The status quo seems to be turn a blind eye where profits are to be made.
Posted by
Ty
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May 5, 2012 23:26
A few people saying it is not possible to have rust on a wooden boat. What do you think holds the wood together? Glue?
Look at some of the older wooden boats and see how the big iron nails corrode and stain the surrounding wood with rust.
This corrosion weakens the joints and can lead to planks coming away in heavy weather.
Posted by
soupdragon
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May 6, 2012 07:21
"soupdragon" Have You ever heard of Stainless steel screws and bolts???? We're in 2012, they haven't use nails for building boats for ages!
Posted by
Rust?!?!?
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May 6, 2012 09:35
CC,just to correct you on the point of rust. Yes wooden boats can show rust underwater. The wooden planks get attached to the main wooden beams by steel bolts and nuts. Some get treated some dont. So as soon as these bolts rust the rust will push off the anti-fouling paint over them and rust will be seen. As for the keel it is also protected in most cases by a steel plate for extra protection. Yet again rust can be seen underwater on a wooden boat. I am saying this because of experience and might be worth your while to visit a local ship yard to get a better understanding of what a wooden boat looks like out of the water and you will understand why rust can show when you see the way they put them together. Did she see rust under the boat? Maybe and maybe not, but that is what she is saying. As for how clear the water was, on the surface the vis can be say 4m and down at 21m might be very bad.
Posted by
unknown
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May 6, 2012 09:53
Boat safety is not a no.1 priority among many diving/snorkeling companies. I have a few years experience from the tourist boats in Andaman Sea and some boats don't have enough life jackets, no children sizes and certainly no inflatable life rafts. There are even speed boats going to The Similans without GPS or even a compass!
A boat needs to be brought up and overhauled at least once a year.
Posted by
OJ
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May 6, 2012 09:54
How do these companies actually manage to get TAT Licences. My experiences with TAT is that they are very strict, or is this only with foreign owned and operated vessels?
Posted by
DunB
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May 6, 2012 11:55
@Rust. Thanks for your condescending reply but please learn to read. I said on older boats, the one mentioned in the article was 10 years old. There are many boats being used that display rust around the joints where the iron nails are corroding.
Posted by
soupdragon
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May 6, 2012 12:20
The words: "the trip is canceled due to bad sea conditions " simply does not exist on Phuket.. Despite the life of the customers..
Posted by
Dave
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May 6, 2012 12:25
@ dave Please do not post comments you know clearly know nothing about. You are completely incorrect. The shop I worked for on and off for a decade does cancel at least a few trips every monsoon season due to inclimate weather. This will be done by management a day or two before the trip based on forecasts. On top of that, usually a couple days a year the captain himself makes the judgment call on the morning of the trip. I know for a fact that other shops do the same, but perhaps some don't always do it enough.
Posted by
Joe
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May 6, 2012 16:56
looks like some foreigners here who make money with diving stay to long in thailand and now they use the same words as thai do. no problem, there was never a problem, everthing is fine, yes and yes...
i can not understand that you want to discredit this woman? i would believe her more then every thai guy who want to sell me a dive. i am not a diver but i am smart enough to see if a boat is in good condition or not? or you need to study for that? how ridicoulous this comments are from you. but anyway i had this impression always from foreign divers here. they think they own the sea, fish and air...i know few friends who have the diver teacher license but i have to say i would never dive with them...when are you professional? diving 2 years? what about a pilot? its so ridiculous
Posted by
mike
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May 6, 2012 17:24
This is totally contradictory to what an experienced diver who was on the boat told me ?!? As I was due to have a meeting with him that evening he sent me an SMS to say he would be late - he said that they new half an hour before the boat was beached by the Capt that that was what was going to happen, and that if you didn't know that the boat was going to be beached, it was so smooth that you couldn't feel a thing ?! He said in his opinion the Capt made the right call and said everything was fine ... yes they had to wait for another dive boat to pick them up, but the reaction of this "VIP" seems totally over the top from what I have been told by people on the boat ... and obviously since there was dive gear on board all she needed to do was put on her wetsuit on and inflate her BCD which can be done orally if she didn't want to use a tank if she was so worried why on earth use a life jacket ?? ... I am sorry her and her husband had a bad experience, but it goes totally against what I have heard from other people on the boat ... and just one further note ... having been living and diving in Thailand on both coasts for over 20 years now with over 1,000 dives in Thai waters, I can comfortably say that Phuket has the best and safest boats I have seen in Thailand ... obviously they vary in standard and maintenance same as hotels or taxis do ... but they are far, far superior and better equipped than ANY of the boats on any other island or place in Thailand ... I am interested to know how many dives they have, what diving and boat experience they have ... would be interesting ... anyway sorry to hear they had a bad experience and I hope it won't stop other people enjoying the diving here, even at this time of year .... I was diving today actually and had a great time ...
With all due respect "Ed" ... from your comments you clearly know very little about diving or boats ... no boats cancelled their trips yesterday, which they do when the company or captain believes it will be dangerous, most companies abide by the Capt decisions and I have never known one to be - in my personal experience and I have over a 1,000 dives on both coasts, accidents do happen, but to say that all the boat Capts were at fault to go our yesterday is ridiculous - NO I KNOW you did not say exactly this, but it is clearly what you are implying .... obviously boats vary in standards same as hotels and taxis but if companies or Captains had believed it unsafe to go they would have cancelled their trips which they DO DO when things are deemed unsafe, as opposed to the sea being rough ...
Posted by
An experineced Diver
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May 6, 2012 18:16
Editor Comment:
''Totally contradictory''? You don't seem to understand the meaning of the words you use. If the boat had not been holed and there had been no need to take emergency action by issuing lifejackets, then beaching the boat, that would be ''totally contradictory.'' As the diver in the article said, the rescue procedure was handled well by staff. She has no problem with the emergency process. You are the only person calling this diver a ''VIP.'' The ''totally contradictory'' part begins when you become an apologist for a potentially tragic event that shouldn't have happened. The number of dives has no relevance. It's a safety issue. You seem to not understand what you read. If you accept ''accidents do happen'' then please let us know on which boat this attitude is prevalent.
(moderated)
Posted by
Steve
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May 6, 2012 19:17
Editor Comment:
One diver involved in the incident has provided her real name. If you wish to add a comment, you'll need to give us your full name. As Mrs Bain said, it was a terrifying incident that could have been tragic if it had happened further away from land and if there had been no other boats nearby. The decisions made on-shore clearly take no account of the kinds of Phuket squalls that blow up at this time of year. Weather updates while at sea do not appear to be part of the system for most Phuket captains.
It seems like Phuketwan made friends with the local diving ma... eh people.
But back to what happened. There were waves out there. Higher then most of the time. Because of the weather conditions waves broke a hole in the hull. The boat started taking water faster for the pumps to handle. It did not capsized by a freaking wave, but was damaged enough for the crew to throw it at a beach and call for help.
Now I read, the waves were not unusual high, conditions were ok to get out. Then why did this boat broke down? Sounds then like a problem of failing maintenance. Or it was hit by a whale... And in the face of this the eye witness account of a rusty hull should clearly come to mind.
And if you spin the story a little further, the wave that broke that boat would have struck not as close to an island, they could have waited for rescue by the helping other boats while floating around the sea, entertained and parted by some nice waves. Lifejacket whatsoever, guess divers do have some nicer hardware to float... still nobody would have had to die, if all found in the waves and before the coming dark.
But here I read only "sensationalist", "VIP", "unsatisfied customer", mostly by anonym or totally unknown nicks posting for the "first" time(?). Nitpicking on the eye-witness account instead of being happy nothing worse happened. Something happened, they had to beach their boat. You do not do that for fun.
I mean clearly, you do not make fun with the sea, that nothing more serious happened is thanks to the crews and the nearby island.
So do not pretend it was just the imagination of Ms. Bain. That's so ridiculous. Think if this is a normal thing, that someday all boats break with a little higher then normal waves or if there is some bigger problem concerning the safety of divers and ultimately the safety of the diving industry. You morons.
Posted by
Lena
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May 6, 2012 20:36
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, Accidents do happen though fortunately not everyday. Glad no one was injured, my sympathies to all involved.
Posted by
GazB
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May 6, 2012 21:20
1/experienced divers are RARELY experieced boat operators though yes they have a casual interest.
2/The master of the vessel is responsible for all calls.
3/Anything not nailed down is stolen this includes life jackets and fuel
4/maintenance genrally occurs after a total break down that prevents income.
how many boating incidents has there been, there solution is to hold five years of meetings expect no change.
Posted by
traveller
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May 7, 2012 05:17
Lena, call me a Moron if you like, in fact call me any name, but I can tell you, about seven months back, I was on one of these boats, the decking was so rotten my foot went through it, also unless the wave is made of concrete, no seaworthy boat should be holed by a wave, if the wave is "unusally" big, I would expect superstructure damage, I would also remind people that this is not the first boat to suffer difficulties, it happens too often and some blame must be given to the local Marine Authorities for failing to make sure that these craft are seaworthy and carry all safety equipment. eg, radios , that work, flares, that work, and of course life vests, yes, I might be a "moron", but little maintenance is done unless they are losing money.
Posted by
Laurie Howells
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May 7, 2012 09:07
This is from the United States Government's Website warning travellers coming to Thailand. Google it yourself. Google 'dive boat sinks Phuket' and see how many recent dive boat sinks/rescues come up. YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOUR BOATS! Is this what you want Phuket diving to be known for???
'Boat Safety: Boat safety is a concern in Thailand. Ferries and speedboats used for transport to and from the many islands off the Thai mainland and along rivers are often overcrowded and do not carry sufficient safety equipment. Several years ago, three US citizen tourists died when the overcrowded speedboat they were in capsized and sank off the coast of Koh Samui. Three months later, two US citizens narrowly escaped death when their dive boat sank off the coast near Phuket. Avoid travel on overcrowded boats and ensure that proper safety equipment (including life preservers) is available before boarding any boat or ferry.
I will be contacting the British Embassy to do the same and inform all British Travel agents to warn visitors to be aware - even if it's expat diving schools. And speaking to Padi to see if something can be done from them about Padi diving schools using unsafe boats. Come on diving community, you help ensure your own and clients safety - you hire the boats. You are who visiting divers put their trust in. There's already been a program made in Austrailia about the Dive Asia boat where six people were drowned, warning tourists about your conditions there. How much more bad publicity do you want ruining your businesses - next time it could be you or your family! There's a problem - how do you make it better? What do you need?
Posted by
Anonymous
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May 7, 2012 12:45
Full credit to the editor for comments. I've lived and worked in Thailand for almost 10 years so am brutally aware of the charms and pitfalls of 'Mai Pen Rai' Thailand and the impact it has on safety. I also coincidentally happen to be close friends with Mr and Mrs Bain who I know love Thailand, have a huge respect for the culture but I guess when faced with a life threatening situation might raise their hand and talk about what they experienced.
To focus on whether the hull of the boat was wooden or metallic seems to be missing the point but also highlights the double edged sword that is 'Mai Pen Rai' Thailand. Don't whatever you do affect the status quo because then we'll have to stand up and MAKE A CHANGE and create waves.
Perish the thought. Imagine how expensive and how terribly uptight that would be. If I was the Tourism Authority of Thailand I'd be bending over backwards to ensure all the affected tourists on that boat were encouraged to come back to Thailand so could put this awful experience behind them.
So back to the issue blaming the tourists for getting on the boat: If a tourist got stuck in a poorly maintained lift in a hotel would we criticise them for getting in the lift in the first place?
Of course not, they're not lift engineers. How about a plane crash? No, they don't know how to fly a plane? That's why they pay for and put their trust in EXPERTS. As the editor pointed out, tourists pay for an experience for which it is not unreasonable for them to assume that their safety and well being will be adequately catered for.
Anyway, huge relief that everyone was OK and on the positive side, full marks to the boat crew for actually sticking around and going through safety procedures with what little equipment they had. Much better than those bus drivers who crash their buses and then flee the scene, hey.
Finally, thanks to the editor for sticking to journalistic guns, a very rare phenomenon in this part of the world.
Posted by
Duncan
on
May 10, 2012 16:36
Editor Comment:
Duncan, are you feeling OK? It's just not done to imply that we may have got something right. Many readers have other ideas. But thanks for the thought.
It's really odd how people can pretend that an incident like this one is not risky and dangerous. It's as though there are people in the industry who think ''If the people were rescued, nothing else matters (except whether there was rust or not).'' And there are people in the media who,sadly, will go right along with that.
What a pity others aren't asking the questions that matter. Talking with the tourists who had to endure the frightening experience might be very different to what the dive industry (or at least the defensive part of it) wants to project. The fact is, the industry dropped these traumatised customers as if their fears were of no concern. We've spoken to those who were on both sides, and the sad thing is, there shouldn't be sides. The industry is supposed to be safe, and protective. Everybody agrees the rescue was carried out professionally. The issues are whether the tourists were needlessly placed at risk, and whether not speaking to them afterwards was a professional reaction. We think it's time the industry asked itself both questions, and stopped worrying about irrelevancies. Perhaps the media who caught up with the dive boat holing, near-sinking and beaching six days after it happened could ask: why were there two emergency life rafts on the rescue boat, yet none on the boat that got into trouble? And they could also ask: Where is the independent expert investigation?
The bottom of a wooden boat can appear an orange rust colour in these waters.
As for the ignoramus who thinks that stainless steel is a suitable material for underwater boat fastenings in salt water, no comment!
Posted by
Barry
on
May 22, 2012 22:06
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nothing new here. this is phuket. the baht is the most important of anything.
the real truth is if you had died, nothing would be done to improve safety. This is phuket.
Posted by john on May 5, 2012 13:37