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This printed stub from the meter in a Bangkok taxi explains that the trip of 24.6 kilometres lasted 22 minutes and the total fare was 167 baht. Tuk-tuk fares on Phuket start at a minimum of 200 baht, although recently this has been negotiated down to 150 baht.

New Phuket Tuk-Tuk Fares Expected This Week

Monday, July 12, 2010
News Analysis

A NEW schedule of proposed fares for Patong's tuk-tuks is likely to be approved when the committee of the Patong Taxi Federation meets later this week. Those expecting a reduction in fares may be in for a surprise.

While demand for lower tuk-tuk fares on Phuket has been widespread across the internet and on expat chat sites, acceptance of lower rates among tuk-tuk drivers is no foregone conclusion.

Phuketwan was told by a source close to the federation today that tuk-tuk fares have not increased in 10 years, so it could be time for a long-overdue rise in rates.

The issue of whether or not to increase fares has been under discussion behind closed doors over several weeks. Preechavude 'Prab' Keesin, 33, the federation's president, was giving nothing away in a recent ''first person'' interview with a print media outlet.

While acknowledging the need to set up a standard pricing system, Khun Preechavude said only that meters may be ''possible but not in the near future.'' He did no deal with the question of whether tuk-tuk fares should be reduced, held at current levels, or increased.

In practical terms, fares have tended to be negotiated downwards recently. One Australian family reported paying 150 baht this July for a journey from the north of Patong to the south of Patong that they would have expected to pay 200 baht for 12 months ago.

Tuk-tuk drivers in Kata-Karon are also said to be asking 300 baht for a ride to Patong that would once have cost 400 baht. But more drivers are griping and groaning about finding it hard to make ends meet.

The simple, obvious answer seems not to be considered: there are too many tuk-tuks on Phuket and the number of drivers needs to be reduced progressively as reforms are introduced to benefit the whole island.

Patong's new federation leader has been quick to distance the Patong tuk-tuk drivers from the three disruptive blockades that have alarmed US authorities and interrupted the orderly transfer of US Navy crews from the deep sea port at Cape Panwa to Patong.

Another incident of that kind could lead to US warships forsaking Phuket and finding a new and more reasonable liberty port, either in Thailand or in a neighboring country.

Meanwhile, debate continues about the logic behind the fares currently being charged on Phuket, which remain high when compared to the scheduled fares for Bangkok taxis. The Bangkok schedule is: first kilometre, 35 baht; additional kilometres up to 12k, five baht; additional kilometres 12-20k 5.5 baht; additional kilometres 20-40k 6 baht; additional kilometres 40-60k 6.5 baht; additional kilometres 60-80k 7.5 baht; additional kilometres beyond 80k, 8.5 baht.

A taxi driver who regularly does the trip between Bangkok and Korat, about 300 kilometres away, tells Phuketwan he usually charges 3000 baht for the journey, or 10 baht per kilometre, and fuel costs him 300 baht, or one baht per kilometre.

While tuk-tuk drivers on Phuket may say their vehicles are more expensive to run, if the vehicles are 10 times more expensive to run, then it may be time to find new vehicles.

The rise of the Patong federation has unified drivers in the largest west coast resort but Phuketwan has been led to believe that each taxi stand group largely sets its own prices, based on local demand, the needs of the drivers, and the negotiating skills of customers.

Khun Preechavude has been at pains to make the point that the use of the word ''mafia'' in connection with tuk-tuk drivers and taxi drivers is inappropriate because it smacks of doing illegal business.

However, any economist suddenly arriving on Phuket could be forgiven for questioning loudly how the tuk-tuk and taxi fares on the island could become so out of kilter with Bangkok, and with reality.
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No one cares if tuk-tuk drivers want to decrease or increase fare all around Phuket.

What everyone wants - local Thai people, expats and tourists - is a modern public transport system able to serve all beaches and villages, the same way as they have in Bangkok or any civilised city around the world.


- Is is normal for thousands of Thai resort staff to have to use uncomfortable converted trucks to go to work?
- Is is normal that parents have to buy motorcycles so their children can go to school?

One million people in Phuket are looking to local administrators and the central government to see how they will deal with these stubborn, selfish folk.

Posted by Whistle-Blower on July 12, 2010 13:48

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according to the website tuk-tuk.co.uk which sells tuks tuks with engine specification the same but improved emision, they do approximately 20 kilometres per litre with six passengers, so I really do not see where the high expense is, most probably to pay the officials, not the running of the actual vehicle

Posted by Michael on July 12, 2010 14:37

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Price should not be the debate. Tuk Tuks need to ruled off Phuket. There is only a place for them as a quaint Tourist attraction, not as the main means of transport. This is the authorities' job. The Phuket Governor was adamant taxi meters will be introduced before he left ... he doesn't have long!

Posted by Duncan on July 12, 2010 14:52

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This is pretty simple....Get a smooth running and inexpensive public transport system going....that will take people all over the island, airport included....But of course there are certain powers here that will not let this happen...who is kidding who??

Posted by Road Rage on July 12, 2010 17:30

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Business needs customers.
Maybe it is time that the public boycotted tuk tuks.
Maybe another way is to look at the tuk tuks themselves, they are unsafe, not having rollbars or stabilisers.
Why is Phuket the only place that uses this model of vehicle, who benefits from selling them? who licences them? who licences the drivers? Who checks them for safety?
Why will the Patong municipality not step up and promote a "Baht bus" system for Patong?
We know that no one is prepared to answer these questions.

Posted by Anonymous on July 12, 2010 17:35

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I think they have already begun to price themselves out of existence, it will be interesting to see their next step.

Posted by Benjie on July 12, 2010 17:54

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Whistle-Blower is right. We all knew that the tuk-tuk federations were going to spin out the discussions, drag their feet etc and so it's proven.

What's needed - and wanted - is alternatives. There tends to be a conflation of 'public transport' on Phuket to mean all types of transport that the public pay money for. What's needed is 'public transport' as it's more usually understood - buses/coaches/trams etc run by the government/provincial authority.

It's the stranglehold that tuk tuks and taxis have on Phuket 'public transport' that gives them their strength. Let them increase rates as much as they like. But do it in tandem with an island-wide system of genuine public transport.

The tuk-tuk drivers can then sit in their idle vehicles, while people board buses and coaches that get them their in comfort and without intimidation at a fraction of the price.

A tram system - as sometimes mooted - would take ten years to get up and running and only cover a handful of places. You could buy and have a network of buses and coaches throughout the island on the other hand, up and running in two weeks.

Posted by Doug on July 12, 2010 18:03

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I completely agree with Anonymous! We don't need tuk-tuks, period!

Posted by BOM on July 12, 2010 21:57

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Tuk-tuk drivers have constantly painted a bad picture for Phuket. I have seen them get abusive and angry if they did not get their asking price. Bring in a new metered system for the island.

Posted by alf on July 13, 2010 03:47

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A real public transportation system is needed for locals and tourists. Time for the government to do what they should being doing and take care of the people of Phuket and not just the tuk tuk drivers. This is a very important matter for the future of Phuket.
Sadly I really don't expect much from the govenment officals.
Bangkok ( national government) are the only ones that can really fix it.

Posted by James on July 13, 2010 08:46

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You could buy and have a network of buses and coaches throughout the island on the other hand, up and running in two weeks.
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Perhaps I can correct your statement:

'You could buy and have a network of buses and coaches throughout the island on the other hand, with the bus & coach drivers beaten up and violently threatened in two weeks'

That is what happened a few years ago when the government tried to implement a public bus service between the airport and Patong.

This is all about strength and resolve - strength and resolve of the government to implement a workable, public transport system.

Posted by Simon Luttrell on July 13, 2010 09:24

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Even the kind of open buses existing from Phuket City to Patong or Karon, they could serve between the beaches and the tourists would be happy with this cheap sight seeing trip.

Posted by Jean-Paul Patrick on July 13, 2010 09:39

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Tuk tuk says that the prices have not got higher for the last 10 years ! What i joke. What happened when the oil prices went sky-high ! I been living here for 10 years and it that time a tuk tuk from Karon to Kata south cost 50 baht the same trip today cost 200 baht. A trip went from Karon was 300 baht now its 500 baht in day time, evening time 600-700 baht. That's the same price to the airport.

Get the tuktuk drivers private cars with white numberplates) away from the taxi/tuktuk spots.

Make it harder to get a tuktuk/taxi driver license and limit the tuktuk numbers this way. But then there should also be more control of the tuktuk drivers licences, and alcohol tests.

Posted by Thomas on July 13, 2010 11:02

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A public transport system could be trafficing between Karon and Patong. It is open for anyone who dares to start public transport between the two places. The reason why there is no transportation is that the previous existing buses were burnt and the drivers badly beaten.

That is why public transport will not be developed like in any other civilized city. Phuket is NOT CIVILIZED, it is in the hands of cartels. The common good is not important here. Only having the power and the money is.

Posted by Busrider on July 13, 2010 12:15

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I do not understand why a group representing these drivers are allowed to set prices. If our provincial government was more responsible, they would mandate the usage of meters and ensure that the police enforce their use and mediate disputes between carriers and passengers. There is no reason why transportation rates here should be any higher than in Bangkok or for that matter, the rest of Thailand. The reality is that this is a monopoly. What the government, the vendors, and other folks fail to realise, this one issue tends to create bad feeling from tourists about Phuket and potentially will result in less tourism, thus reduced tourist spending, which is our prime economic base here on Phuket.

Posted by Paoa on July 13, 2010 14:59

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Who sets the prices: the Government or the Taxi Federation? This Federation is a private body representing the interests of tuk tuk owners/drivers, a section of the transport industry that is largely unregulated.
Bangkok taxis are regulated and there is a published schedule of fares. The objective of this Federation is to legitimise already excessive prices rather than improve transport services.
The government needs to step in and protect the travelling public whose transport needs have been blatantly ignored for far too long.
Why can't we have a mini-bus system as in Hong Kong? These are comfortable and efficient and cover key routes 24 hours a day? These buses do not sit around all day trying to scam fares. The same distance as Karon-Patong in Hong Kong costs 35 baht.

Posted by Peter on July 13, 2010 15:36

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Dear Phuketwan and readers,
Don't you all think that all these complaints and a petition should be sent to higher authorities, maybe the transport minister in Bangkok, as it's evident that on Phuket nothing will ever be done to solve this problem. Every town/city needs public transport !

Posted by elizabeth on July 13, 2010 15:54

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These prices are way over the top and the place is screaming for a public bus system.

The bus system in Oahu (Hawaii) charges about 80 baht (USD 2.50) with 1 free transfer! I am sure the gas prices, wages and operating costs are a lot higher than in Thailand. I picked Oahu as an example because it is a heavily traveled island tourist location.

Posted by Anonymous on July 18, 2010 15:06


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