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Police say they can't find the sex shows is like tourists in Belgium saying: we can't find the chocolate... It's impossible for anybody not to find this. Unless of course one is on a strict diet, and is paid for not looking at the chocolate.
Posted by Charles on September 24, 2013 17:48
Great of Phuketwan to follow up with your questions. While still not convinced, I would like to stand corrected and Thailand get rid of these awful stuff, that taints the image of this country. Even though...
Posted by Lena on September 24, 2013 17:53
This is hysterical...does anyone really believe that the sex shows will dissappear?....all this yak yak yak from gov't officials to show the world that they will supposedly be doing something to clean up Phuket...I'm not buying it...a few arrests will be made to appease the select masses and then the sex shows and the likes will continue as normal...It is clear that it has been part of Patong for a long long time and its a big part of what draws many people and their money out here. It will not dissappear aanytime soon...Look, if you don't like it and it odffends you, don't go there...All this talk, you would think Patong has the only red light district in the world....Many cities have them...who is kidding who?
Posted by sky on September 24, 2013 18:17
The sex shows are not part of normal red light activities in any part of the world and clearly denigrate all women, Thai women especially. It's time they went. There is no evidence that any tourists come to Thailand to see the sex shows. Tourists pay to see them because they are there. The money would be spent on other activities if the sex shows weren't there. Thailand would be much better off without them.
On my first visit to Thailand on the eve of new year 1997/98 to Pattaya, the similar show , that operates until now,but in different location - I was told that show by guides, that show is illegal , but yes, owned by police so it is half-legal, and "for tourists is legal" - same rods and bars on the entrance , checking bags for photo- videoequipment and so on. No real facade - just sign "LIDO".
Posted by Sue on September 24, 2013 18:35
Go to any of the Soi Seadragon Go-Go bars and you will find the girls gyrating butt naked.
Posted by ThaiMike on September 24, 2013 18:47
There's a distinction to be drawn between what goes on behind closed doors in bars or clubs and the sex shows, performed before an audience of tourists. Only the sex shows clearly denigrate all women, but especially Thai women. They are a repulsive vestige from an era when Thailand was the sex capital of the world.
The ping pong shows are a "tourist attraction" and aren't really hurting anyone. The girls who work there aren't forced to do so, so why not make it legal? That way the Boys in Brown might miss out on some "tea money", but at least they won't look stupid when they claim they can't find these shows, despite the army of touts along Bangla Road all waving signs. The obvious alternative, is to send in some plain clothes police. But we all know that's not going to happen.
Posted by Rupert on September 24, 2013 18:51
The sex shows are not appealing. They denigrate all women and Thai women especially. I saw one back in the 1980s, as a journalist on a TAT junket. Back then, Thailand was the world's sex capital. It's not any more. Prostitution has been legalised most everywhere. Although Thailand has matured over the past 30 years, the lewd sex shows remain. It's time they were stopped.
Posted by Mister Ree on September 24, 2013 19:24
Happy to take a joint libel case from you and them, Mister Ree, but not interested in anything you have to say.
When I told my family I will be going to Thailand for work and I would like to invite them after a year or two, they told me that they would be not so much interested because it's just a little bit too sleazy for them. The reputation for being a sex-tourist place was prevailing at that time. 2 years later nothing has changed about the reputation - despite me starting the next attempt to invite my family to come by for a visit. I can say that I found a couple of nice and quiet places on the island.
Posted by Jakub on September 24, 2013 21:37
Thailand was, is and will be one of the most popular sex-tourist destination. It is silly to claim that it all left in the past. Open your eyes. Sex-tourism was just limited to some special areas, where it is still thriving. Take a taxi from city hall of Bangkok for example. Just 10 minutes. Very funny. It is just a quastion of lost face again. Nothing more. Check immigration data, how many men come here alone. Do you think most of them come to eat som tam or just to get tanned. Very very naive.
Posted by Stranger on September 24, 2013 22:29
Who said sex tourism had been left in the past? You fail to understand yet again, Stranger. The sex shows don't draw any tourists to Thailand, just denigrate women. They are what should be stopped.
Certainly Phuketwan walks a delicate tightrope between advocacy and activism. Push too close to activism and risk access. I understand that. As long as somebody is making money, be it the vendors or corrupt officials, it will continue to exist. Last August, after three nights on Bangla, it seemed as though the number of "sex show" touts to people actually attending sex shows might well have been 1:1. If TAT wants to gain "high value" tourists, they either need to make it more family friendly, or install casinos. Good luck.
Posted by bill on September 25, 2013 07:58
Posted by Sue on September 25, 2013 08:03
Most people are appalled by freak shows of all kinds, but they will visit sex shows in Thailand because they're there. The shows denigrate all women, whether or not the schoolboys giggle and people make jokes about porn actors. If Thailand wishes to show its maturity as a nation, Amsterdam is not the example to follow.
Ed: These shows denigrate women, I agree. But why you explicitly repeat "especially Thai women" ? What makes them so special in comparison with women of other nationalities ? On top of it, these shows also involves men and ladyboys. Isn't there any denigration, as well ?
Posted by Werni on September 25, 2013 09:01
There are laws in Thailand specifically to protect the reputation of Thai women. In my opinion, these shows not only break laws against lewd behavior but also damage Thailand's culture and maintain the crude, lewd reputation that the country is trying to shake off.
Exposed by Rhianna? Did nobody know about it before?? Come on Ed, enough on this story already please...
Posted by phuket madness on September 25, 2013 09:47
We don't take instructions, phuket madness.
''maintain the crude, lewd reputation that the country is trying to shake off''.
Posted by Pete on September 25, 2013 11:11
Those figures are total rubbish, Pete, and probably always have been. One of the best investigations, carried out a few years back by Prospect magazine, estimated that no more than one million of Thailand's tourists then were sex tourists. With prostitution legalised in more places, the evidence is that the sex trade is diminishing, not growing. Malaysians crossing the southern border still constitute the largest proportion.
Ed: I don't think World Outreach publishes ''total rubbish'', they are there to help the less fortunate around the world and probably come across cases of exploitation that you and I would never experience. They might have religious overtones, but they are sincere in their work and what they accomplish. I have never previously heard of Prospect Magazine, but having looked it up I see it in the main specialising in politics, economics and current affairs. World Outreach is much better known.
Posted by Pete on September 25, 2013 12:07
Pete, load of rubbish. I can't speak for World Outreach but many of these organisations - especially the religious ones - accept the highest figure because it suits their purposes (ie, more sin, more cash, larger staff, etc). Independent investigations by highly-regarded journalists on classy magazines are not so suspicious. Ask World Outreach for its sources.
I might just do that and at the same time ask Prospect magazine the same question. You wouldn't object if I included your responses - or would you?
Posted by Pete on September 25, 2013 12:31
We stand by our comments. The 5000-word Prospect article was republished in the now defunct 'Phuket Post' and acclaimed as being the best informed article to that point on Thailand's sex industry. If you can find the link on Prospect, it would certainly be appropriate to send it to World Outreach asking them for a response. Businesses in Bangla and Bangkok will also tell you their figures are laughable.
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Posted by Chris on September 25, 2013 16:21
these shows have been going on in Thailand since 1970 when I was stationed at UBON RTAFB. just go to patpong back then and the shows were available.
Posted by KOZMO on September 26, 2013 20:49
@ Thaimike. That all GoGo bars in seadragon should have Butt naked ladies is total Rubbish... There ar e at least one of them -Diablo Agogo- that do not have any disscusting ping pong shows or naked dancers at all..there are pure fun and also one of few if any gogobars that doesent rip off customers. so b4 u state any thing like that do ur homework.
Posted by frog on September 28, 2013 16:26
ED: renegade officers get a cut?
Posted by phonus balonus on September 28, 2013 17:45
Police are supposed to enforce and obey Thailand's laws so any officer who does not is a renegade. There are honest police, too.
Posted by ThaiMike on September 28, 2013 17:57
@ thaimike. discusting ping pong show it was. not about naked women :)
Posted by frog on September 29, 2013 16:57
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