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You're being a bit premature.
Posted by sir burr on August 11, 2013 15:41
You've never been on the right side, either. Cheerleading for the tuk-tuks and taxis (''nothing is going to change'') is not logical or honorable.
I agree with Sir alittle bit..after all, the past has shown us many times that no real action has ever taken place in light of all the talking...However, it does "appear" that this latest effort by the DSI is looking like all the changes that the doomsayers have been waiting for are finally about to fall into place....some, all??...who knows...but its looking better...of course, time will tell
Posted by sky on August 11, 2013 16:04
Doomsayers or just realists? The trouble is Ed that so many promises have been made in the past without effective implementation.
Posted by Graham on August 11, 2013 16:06
''Doomsayers or just realists?'' Doomsayers have never campaigned for change. That would require effort. They're far too lazy for that.
I don't believe for one minute that the people behind the problems are just going to crawl into a hole and not fight back in some way, been in Thailand too long - that's not how it works.
Posted by G Horne on August 11, 2013 16:16
Nothing political about corruption.
Had you ever considered that the "doomsayers" as you call them have had a POSITIVE effect ... The "doomsayers" have been provided with an enormous amount of world-wide press coverage ... Take your blinkers off and think about it [but not for too long] ... Now you "must be wondering where to hide"
Posted by Amazed in Thailand on August 11, 2013 16:24
The doomsayers did nothing of the kind. We did that. The honorary consuls did that. The ambassadors did that. The Minister for Tourism and Sport did that.
I agree with Sir Burr. This article only shows plans and warnings and propaganda really. On the street i see timeshare/lories/child labour/illegal taxis/2000 bahts taxi fare from the airport was what my friend was quoted at the airport counter/ jet ski operators driving ATV around patong (against the law). I was in surin yesterday, no signs of changes.
Posted by danny on August 11, 2013 16:40
Only doomsayers predict no change will come, then expect it to happen overnight, danny. But we have the promise from the chief commissioner that 700 extra police are locked into the October budget. The illegal taxi drivers are being arrested, The airport reforms are on the way, according to the chairman of the AoT. The taxi drivers are going to seminars. That's a pretty good start. It's a good week for people who believe change is inevitable.
Well give it 2-3 months and we see who is right and wrong ?
Posted by Miki on August 11, 2013 17:02
The doomsayers are always wrong, Miki, because in saying what they say (''nothing is going to change'') they add their support to the tuk-tuk drivers and the taxi drivers. The mindless utterance also defies logic, because change is inevitable.
Ed, do you know if the DSI, Honorary Consuls etc read PW and other Phuket English language publications? it would be helpful for them in keeping up to date with people's view of Phuket?
Posted by Fiesty Farang on August 11, 2013 17:04
As an outlet covering the key issues relating to tourism on Phuket, PW articles are widely circulated. Ambassadors follow us on Twitter and Phuketwan's coverage is read at the Foreign Ministry and the Interior Ministry, and likely at the Ministry of Tourism and Sport. We probably have readers at ISOC and the DSI as well, perhaps for different reasons.
Obviously there's nothing political about corruption but it won't stop them making it so.
Posted by G Horne on August 11, 2013 17:05
All talk so far, Mr Editor. And why are you so intent on slagging off "the doomsayers" as you call them? They've always been right so far!
Posted by jimbo on August 11, 2013 17:07
You're a Disbeliever, then. At least you admit the potential for change. Doomsayers aren't that smart. I don't support Doomsayers because they're on the wrong side. What they say provides comfort to the corrupt, to the extortionists, to the rip-off merchants. Some of them may even be paid to do it. Doomsayers have corrupted minds. In a war, they'd be up on treason charges and blindfolded at dawn.
So far what do have, two new offices, more police, Where? and a list of wrong doers. The wrongdoers have been given a warning to remove buildings or we will probe you? Hang that shivers me timbers in my boots.
Posted by Robin on August 11, 2013 17:10
Disbelief seems to be widespread. Realists know change when they see it.
I would rather be a glass half filled person than a glass half empty. I really want this to work because of my love for Phuket and it's people.
Posted by Arthur on August 11, 2013 17:35
That makes you a Half-Full Believer, Arthur. That's an appropriate reaction to the week's events.
@ Robin - Thailand is a democracy not a dictatorship. The 11 names have been accused and one will have charges of fraud within 30 days, according to PW. Your suggestion about putting people in jail without evidence and a trial is far more frightening than the current situation. Where would your suggestion stop, an ex-girlfriend who makes a story up about you and the Police come and put you, or me, or anybody in jail. Come on this is a democracy, Robin.
Posted by Fiesty Farang on August 11, 2013 17:36
Except it's all just Thalk Thalk THalk
Posted by EB48 on August 11, 2013 18:21
Are you a Doomsayer, EB48, on the basis of a form in Thailand being in Thai? Did you read somewhere that the DSI was providing a form in English?
Somebody believes, others wants to see more than talk before they are convinced. All of us really want to see changes, but after a decade or more here skepticism develops. But apparently this site is the only one that covers the activities of DSI, which I suppose both believers and disbelievers appreciate.
Posted by Sherlock on August 11, 2013 18:23
Others will cover the story eventually, Sherlock, when it suits them. Some of them won't even bother to use their own reporters. They'll take it from outside sources.
I have book marked this page to reserve comment for 3 months. Actions speak louder than words. I look forward to real change, not empty promises.
Posted by Mister Ree on August 11, 2013 18:58
What's the point of this article? Do you want all the doomsayers to kiss your feet now, Ed? I believe that you are way too soon by saying that there will only be blue sky from now on. You must be naive to think that. But, I believe one thing, and that is that this article is written, so you can blow some steam of to the ones that are skeptical. If I ever live a month in Phuket without hearing one complaint about all the corruption, maffia practices, murders, bribes, breaking laws, etc, I will personally come to kneel in front of you, and treat you as some sort of a god.
Posted by Charles on August 11, 2013 19:10
The point about the article, Charles, is that it was perhaps one of the most important weeks in Phuket's recent history. We measure weeks in ticks and crosses and this week there were quite a few ticks, Charles. I guess you were busy doing what you usually do to notice. Several big decisions were announced. The loss of face to be suffered by the chairman of AoT, by the Director of the DSI and by the Chief Commissioner of Police if this is all make-believe would be considerable. The Ambassadors from Europe and China will be geeing them along. But stick with your sceptical stupor if you wish.
I agree that this is a watershed moment. Tourism is now the country's largest business. Yet the industry and the destinations have suffered from complete neglect and lack of planning from inception. It is Thailand's natural/indigenous attributes and private investment that are the main drivers of success in tourism. Unless the authorities step up with serious support and investment, Thailand will become the dumping ground for the dregs of global mass budget tourism.
Posted by Yojimbo on August 11, 2013 20:01
Interesting developments indeed and the fact that some resort to suing the DSI tells me they have no "influential (enough) people" to call anymore.
Posted by ThaiMike on August 11, 2013 20:19
The key poit which may push DSI to be active to crackdown illegal activities in Phuket is that they may receivebounty to all seized properties, money and so on such as police receive 30% of all fined drivers or the Custom Department on illegal imported goods and on fines.
Posted by Whistle-Blower on August 11, 2013 20:50
The "dream" has for sure not come true..YET. So far nothing has actually happened, I do hope the things mentioned WILL happen though. I'm cautiously positive, but so far no "dream" has come true at all.
Posted by christian on August 11, 2013 20:52
The dream is that a start will be made, christian, and that's what happened this week.
Sorry but I must be a doomsayer, 6 months ago there was a huge investigation with many staff sent from Bangkok to sort out lands grabbing. A new era was upon us. The man causing a stir was soon replaced. All quiet now. This job of cleaning up Phuket is surely a poisoned chalice. Lets see what happens in 6 months then hand out the name calling. On another point why do we have to get off our motorbikes, surely getting people out of cars would stop the congestion. Better training, which at present is non-exsistant, for all drivers/riders would help attend many safety issues. Driving a car is a choice many cannot afford, but a motorcycle gives a freedom that relying on a bus does not and I for one would not give up that freedom for a bus
Posted by Dave on August 11, 2013 22:00
Most of the people who are killed or maimed on Phuket's roads are motorcycle riders. Not many people in cars get wet in bad weather. With fewer motorcycles, Phuket's hospitals would be able to cope.
Yes, it was an good week for those that want positive change. By far, the most important action was the naming of names. That was a first. Unfortunately, until people see arrests, actual convictions and the genuine enforcement of the existing laws, people will be hesitant to believe that real change is underway. There are hundreds of millions of baht at risk for the cartels and they will not just give up. The lack of initial co-operation from the AoT in respect to the illegal taxis and the transportation mess at the airport was telling. Encroachment on protected areas does not occur without the complicity of local government officials. The absence of parking regulation enforcement on Patong's main thoroughfares speaks to the Mayor of Patong's priorities when it comes to the tuktuks vs. the good of Patong. I will jump on the bandwagon when the big fish are caught.
Posted by ryan on August 11, 2013 23:38
here is another doomsayer. The ed, mister know it all, 2 years in Thailand, is peeing his pants because now it will change... he thi ks. Like Einstein already said: there is no limit to human stupidity.
Posted by Godfried on August 12, 2013 04:07
Einstein was certainly right there, Godfried. Common characteristics of Doomstayers are: (1) They take everything personally (2) They think that the longer they stay on Phuket, the more intelligent they become.
Guess I must be a pessimist as I need to see change before I believe it is happening, so far we have seen very little, except for Ed beating his chest and a few names being mentioned by the DSI, the proof of action is when people, especially at higher levels, are charged and convict, with a bit more than a slap on the hand. I don't mind being a pessimist, as philosophers say pessimists create thinking, thinking creates change, optimists simple do NOTHING but wait. Three cheers to the pessimists.
Posted by lonewolf on August 12, 2013 07:00
All the people claiming that so far lots of talk and nothing has been done, look around you. Far, far less tutuk's around and a lot of the black plate taxi's have disappeared from the taxi stands.
Posted by stevenl on August 12, 2013 07:14
Steveni, don't be so naive, change needs to be long term, not one day, not one week, not one month. You, along with many others, including our esteem Ed, have been here long enough to know that when any action is proposed then illegal businesses go "quiet" for a short period then come back. Please, before commenting use a little grey matter, if your cultural background does not know what that means, it means brains.
Posted by lonewolf on August 12, 2013 08:26
@ Godfried on August 12, 2013 04:07: is that true? Is Ed only 2 year in Phuket? Hahahaha, and he thinks he has the knowledge of a veteran. Well, we know he IS a veteran, but not in the Phuket experience.
Posted by Charles on August 12, 2013 09:58
We posted Godfried's comment in the belief that only a fool would take anything he wrote seriously.
Wow lonewolf, you really are a pessimist.
Posted by stevenl on August 12, 2013 10:00
@ Fiesty Farang, " Your suggestion about putting people in jail without evidence and a trial is far more frightening than the current situation."
Posted by Robin on August 12, 2013 10:28
Steveni, you should read my other comment.. "philosophers say pessimists create thinking, thinking creates change, optimists simple do NOTHING but wait. Three cheers to the pessimists." I say no more, except optimists are none thinkers, they only wait and then claim victory as their own. There are many words to describe this action, but I will refrain from using them. ED, this is directed solely at Steveni, if you comment it would only be for your own gratification.
Posted by lonewolf on August 12, 2013 11:08
We don't take instructions from readers, lonewolf, especially the confused ones.
I have just driven thru Karon , and the MAJORITY of tuk tuk stands , which take up so much of the prescribed parking areas BTW , have at least one civilian car ( without green and white plates ) parked amongst them , with a 'Taxi' sign sitting in plain sight on the roof.
Posted by Chob on August 12, 2013 11:47
"On Monday Phuket Vice Governor Jamleran Tipayapongtada told local council bosses that construction must be cleared from the shorefront at Surin beach with 30 days or the bosses will face a PROBE by the Department of Special Investigation. "
Posted by Chob on August 12, 2013 11:58
Posted by stevenl on August 12, 2013 12:21
I'm off to the immigration office tomorrow to renew my annual stamp. I'll let you know if I spot a smiling immigration officers after I've handed back empty, the envelopes they love pushing over the table.
Posted by Adrian on August 12, 2013 13:43
I think the Ed has put the car among the pigeons on this one!
Posted by Fiesty Farang on August 12, 2013 13:46
Sorry Ed, but it seems you are mixing realistic with idealistic when you describe yourself a real realist!
Posted by Harald on August 12, 2013 13:52
What I said was: ''Fortunately, there are people smarter than the doomsayers, real realists who realised change was not only needed but also inevitable.''
Steveni, before quoting one persons views, we have enough of that from Ed, then I suggest first you look up the definitions of pessimist and optimist. The concept is typically extended to include the attitude of hope for future conditions unfolding as optimal as well. Note especially the word HOPE.
Posted by lonewolf on August 12, 2013 14:08
Where can I get me one of them Phuket Passports?
Posted by Big Bernie on August 12, 2013 14:25
Send us 10,000 baht, Big Bernie.
How many times have we heard the same song but with a different tune. The greed and crime destroyed phuket's reputation as a dream destination years ago shallow promises and lie's to protect Phuket's image.Dream on.
Posted by William Dale on August 12, 2013 18:31
The Editor has noble sentiments. so lets check back on this in six months time. Looking at the situation historically though both in Phuket and elsewhere in Thailand promises such as these are made by people who either do not survive long enough to see them through or were paying the usual lip service. I take it the Ambos meeting is still not going ahead.
Posted by Andrew D on August 12, 2013 18:48
With so many people in Patong with noble sentiments right now, there's probably no need to wait six months. With just a little ballot rigging, an election this week would prove everybody had a pure conscience. And I'm just talking about the expat residents. The locals? Problems? What problems?
I will not like it in Phuket anymore, if they are not inventing a time machine and bring the status quo of Phuket from 1990 or at least 2000 back and keep it that way. Since than everything has gone for me downhill and no implemented new restrictions, or enforced ones, will bring anything from that what I miss, back!
Posted by Alfred on August 12, 2013 19:09
I'm with you Ed; Rome wasn't built in a day. It is going to take time for the effects to show.
Posted by Logic on August 12, 2013 19:14
Yes. There would be no point in us filling space with pointless stuff. That's already being done, often.
Yes I find myself in the 'lets see what happens' camp. I think it is not only premature but also a tad immature to write an article saying 'I told you so'. Action, results, improvement. I personally think that the fact the DSI is calling for those abusing their positions to stop, rather than going in and making arrests, is the first sign of a lack of intent on their part. When Thai authorities decide to take action on other matters, they are usually decisive and sometimes brutally heavy-handed. But perhaps they have considered the consequences of this, and don't want to make negative headlines. So lets just see what happens, Mr. Editor.
Posted by geoff on August 12, 2013 21:05
Like so many other sad individuals, geoff, you seem to have problems saying what you think without throwing a few unwarranted insults my way. That's not just ''a tad immature,'' it's downright childish. Try striving for intellectual honesty, not a chupa-chup.
Interesting use of the words "sad" and "childish" from Mr Moderator
Posted by Amazed in Thailand on August 13, 2013 09:26
You're right, Amazed in Thailand. No further comment needed. Goodbye.
I think the damage has been done and you can't fix a sinking boat. The tourist horror stories, fly-on-the-wall documentaries and bad press have all relegated Phuket to a cheap charlie tourist destination
Posted by Damien on August 13, 2013 09:58
Of course you can fix a sinking boat.
Its sinking ED, too much water on board now. Time to find a new boat
Posted by Damien on August 13, 2013 10:13
Your comments are not well-informed, Damien, just guesswork. There's no value in making them. Unless you have some experience or new information, you are wasting our time.
What part of "I intend to continue in the same vain until such time as you are replaced ... Read them and post or hit the delete key ... up to you!" and "You really are a sad case Mr Moderator" didn't you understand?
Posted by Amazed in Thailand on August 13, 2013 10:43
Readers must wonder what I have to put up with, and why I sometimes seem abrupt. The only reason this is being posted is to show them, Amazed in Thailand, what I have to put up with. I am telling you now: no more responses from you will be read, let alone posted.
Ed you virtually invite such responses with your constantly rude retorts.
Posted by eddy on August 13, 2013 11:13
We don't invite any comments at all, eddy. We supply accurate information. We welcome value-added comments. Ill-informed opinions are not wanted. Petty point-scorers and those who have nothing of value to say will be treated as they deserve to be treated.
With reference to your reply relating to Amazed in Thailand you have made a rod for your own back Editor
Posted by Concerned Regular Reader on August 13, 2013 13:29
Indeed. Readers who show respect for the truth will earn my enduring admiration. Those who lie, apply guesswork, display bigotry or racism or attempt conversations that serve no useful purpose will be treated with as they deserve to be treated: without respect.
Why Crime Prevention Center at the airport was opened but doesn't operate? Why even information desk doesn't know what "DSI" means? They understood me only when I asked about 'big police from Bangkok"! Why I saw a lot of illegal Russian and Korean guides and 'wild' taxi drivers same before?
Posted by Stranger on August 15, 2013 12:41
I just came back form airport and trust me this is exactly the same zoo. The lady on the desk was unaware of any change and i saw some taxi drivers looking at me and my sister very strangly no need to understand the language to feel unconfortable and unsafe.
Posted by Lisa on August 22, 2013 15:27
Decades of inactivity are not going to suddenly bring overnight change, Lisa. But this is Phuket's best chance. Stay tuned.
I've just returned today to my business near Phuket airport.
Posted by Simon Luttrell on August 22, 2013 18:15
OK, 3 months in as promised - any chance of an update on the results so far of the DSI presence on the island - it seems to have gone very quiet on that score?
Posted by Mister Ree on November 19, 2013 19:33
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