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These scammers have many tricks and unaware tourist will keep losing.
Posted by Reg on July 21, 2013 15:21
Well, what a classic case of pure stupidity, no wonder there are so many "easy targets ".
Posted by bigcheese on July 21, 2013 15:53
Just how cautious and wary do tourists need to be, bigcheese? Perhaps you don't get it, but holidays are supposed to be worry-free fun. The people involved with tourism on Phuket have to be trustworthy: ie, no research needed, no rip-offs to fear. Destinations where visitors are obliged to watch their every move are doomed.
I feel sorry for those girls but they seemed a bit clueless...
Posted by John on July 21, 2013 16:18
There are plenty of destinations in the world where tourists can go where people providing the fun are trustworthy, John. The fact that people are being advised by you to do their own research before visiting Phuket indicates that some things are rotten in Phuket. Why blame the victims? Phuket has to return to being a destination free from rip-offs . . . or face the consequences. No tourists. That's the bottom line.
I think @reg may be on to something. When i read the story the first thing i thought of was who was driving the jet ski that hit them. It sound very suspicious.
Posted by Ciaran on July 21, 2013 16:22
Indeed. But wholesome fun without the risk of being ripped off is probably a more practical aim. People should be able to visit Phuket without being wary and watching their every move for fear of being ripped off, or taken down. The authorities need to make Phuket a destination that can be trusted to protect them, as Thai destinations have always been until modern times on Phuket, or face the consequences.
Greed I used to love Phuket so much but greed is so out of control both for tourists and expats. I am thinking about leaving after many years here.
Posted by Fiesty Farang on July 21, 2013 16:29
I am sure that the Minister of Tourism and Sports and the DSI will have this all sorted out next week when they come to visit and conduct their raids. Yeah, right.
Posted by larry on July 21, 2013 16:42
Only a fool would expect instant solutions to entrenched long-term problems. Do you believe in fairies, larry?
The hotel receptionist should give obviously newcomers a discrete, short brief of what can be expected on the road, the beach and in nightlife here. I always do - saves the guests a lot of trouble later.
Posted by Receptionist on July 21, 2013 17:00
That's wise, but how shameful for Phuket that it's necessary. Perhaps that's what the island has earned from 20 years of inaction.
Boycott Phuket with your dollars!
Posted by Steve on July 21, 2013 17:25
A single jet ski can earn the operator 20,000 baht a day if hired every half hour for 10 hours in a day. The unfortunate jet ski operators are being robbed of considerable revenue if they only get paid 3,000 baht a day for the jet ski being out of action. You have to look at both sides of the argument.
Posted by Anonymous on July 21, 2013 17:33
As the article says, both the jet-skis were in use the following day again. There goes your ''other side'' argument. Are you telling us that 20,000 baht a day is a reasonable income? Surely you haven't given this ''other side'' stuff much thought.
What a Shame for Phuket , these girls should get a 2hr Oilmassage for Free , i could be in charge of that...!!!
Posted by Stephen on July 21, 2013 17:46
@Stephen - Guess that massage is a job reserved for Thais only.
Posted by Sherlock on July 21, 2013 18:10
What about the insurance policy the jet ski owners have? Doesn't that cover the minor damage?
Posted by fakename on July 21, 2013 18:24
Yes, but the present insurance does not cover the time the jet-ski is out of the water or damage beyond 50,000 baht, both elements that should be covered in a comprehensive policy. If the charge is 2000 baht for two for half an hour, the jet-ski operators can easily afford full insurance.
Sorry to say it, but the girls are totally clueless.
Posted by Glassy on July 21, 2013 19:39
Many tourists trust the people in tourist destinations, Glassy, to take care of them, to protect them, and to treat them as guests. I'm not sure that's being clueless. There are aspects of visiting Phuket that, sadly and unusually for a supposedly hospitably place, require travel warnings. What a pity the local authorities are not doing their best to make sure those warnings disappear. To me, they're the clueless ones, not the trusting tourists who simply believe what they've been told and sold about Thailand. Readers who blame the tourists seem just as deluded as the local authorities, and perhaps, given their ''worldly'' experience, even considerably more clueless.
i cant believe tourists still use these jet skis,dont give these operators the ammunition they need.Also i cant believe these girls dont know anything about scams in thailand,i know plenty of people in UK who know about these scams but have never set foot on thai soil..
Posted by darren walker on July 21, 2013 19:46
Thailand is a popular tourist destination, darren, that's what the TAT tells people all over the world. What the TAT neglects to tell tourists is that extreme caution is needed to avoid rip-offs in Phuket. The answer to the problem is not to blame the tourist victims, but to end the scams. If the scams continue, there will be more people like your friends. Too many more. The problems will continue as long as the basic rules governing human behavior are overwhelmed by greed and ignored by both the jet-ski operators and the authorities. .
One comment I have seen a few times in different articles over a period of time it that "it is safe to drink out of bottles". Safer maybe?
Posted by Logic on July 21, 2013 20:16
Phuket, you are greedy and it will backfire on you. Rip off one tourist with these scams, they tell their friends and media, you lose 100 + potential customers, there are other holiday destinations.
Posted by Anonymous on July 21, 2013 21:02
Sorry to hear they were ripped off did they get photos of the machines if so Larry may be able to help
Posted by Michael on July 21, 2013 21:16
it looks to me that these girls would have walked into any tourist trap at any place on this planet...notwithstanding to the aforementioned, tourist should be treated as a valuable good and deserve the best service possible anywhere...simply because they are required for a tourist destination's development and well being. however, this can only be achieved by educating the local business community. selective law enforcement wont help.
Posted by josh on July 21, 2013 21:53
@ Anonymious and Darren - You are right, but your accusations are only regarding a filthy FEW. The rest of the population on the west coast of Phuket, who lives of tourism are mostly honest people, who have an obvious interest of seeing the tourist next year.
Posted by Sherlock on July 21, 2013 22:05
Threatened to get the mafia involved? Translation...the police. My Thai wife and I have been to Phuket 2 times in 10 years and we will never go back because we are both disgusted with the place. I hope for the day when global tourists completely turn their back on that corrupt cesspool. That aside, I think your reporting is very admirable and please don't ever back down. Good job!
Posted by David Stonham (USA with Thai wife & child) on July 22, 2013 01:17
Well DSI here is a case for you to investigate when you hit town while it's still fresh, one of many for you to choose from I'll bet
Posted by stunner on July 22, 2013 01:36
Now there off to the full moon party did they brush up on the speed boats there and back, the drug set ups, the thefts ,these young girls are going to learn about Thailand the hard way sadly.
Posted by slickmelb on July 22, 2013 02:02
Mr Stonham, if you are disgusted from Phuket at your first visit, why you came back ? Is America better ?At all occasions your political leaders say "God bless you" but your country is also disgusting the way they start wars around the world and then leave a mess to the local people. So dont spell others the lesson
Posted by Eric on July 22, 2013 07:52
These people with little brain the jetski operators are happy to meet but also the phuketwan to go on complaining locals.There story is irrelevant complaing the jetski,commenting there o breast surgery (i not see the relation between both) to the toilet they have to pay, the hotel policy they not read, and on top going to Koh Phangan being so naive.
Posted by Eric on July 22, 2013 08:17
Telling tourists off for not giving in to the jet-ski thugs, for standing up for their rights and for attempting to help to fix Phuket's problems, big and small . . . these symptoms indicate your brain is barely moving, Eric. By arguing in favor of the scams and the rip-off merchants, it's clear you've forgotten the basic principles of fairness and freedom that young tourists all understand clearly.
Everybody talking about how bad this might turn out for Phuket, but tourist numbers are still increasing and the forecasts are very, very positive.
Posted by Jakub on July 22, 2013 08:43
Eric, your comment to Mr Stoneham bewilders me, I am assuming you are not very intelligent, he and his wife seem to have given Phuket a second chance, which is only fair, your attack on US is completely irrelevant to the story, you seem to have a problem, get help. Oh, before you accuse me of being American, I am NOT, nor am I a supporter of all their policies. Be nice if you could keep your comments relevant to the story.
Posted by Phuket_IOC on July 22, 2013 09:51
Jakub, or anyone else, can you PLEASE tell me what is "beautiful" about Phuket, that can NOT be found anywhere else, that would encourage tourists to come/or return. I see cheap shopping, cheap hotels cheap sex, the "beauty" has long been destroyed by over development, scams, corruption, jet skis, speed boats and deck chairs.
Posted by Phuket_IOC on July 22, 2013 10:06
Why would the mafia get involved - apparently there's no such thing in Phuket!
Posted by Mister Ree on July 22, 2013 10:36
I remember a couple of year ago now , Bangkok police come and stay in Patong for some weeks !!!
Posted by jorgen48 on July 22, 2013 10:37
To the editor, I am not supporting scams at all not in Phuket or elswhere in the world, I just want to say that not all Phuket people are bad and that should te told also to the readers.
Posted by Eric on July 22, 2013 11:57
We understand that not all Phuket people are scammers and thieves, Eric, but there are enough to damage Phuket's international reputation and for all nations that send tourists to Phuket to be alarmed about their citizens' safety. Many honest Phuket people are also concerned. However, next to the scammers and thieves damaging Phuket's reputation, the biggest problem is apathy. By blaming Phuket's problems on the tourists, you are tapping deeper levels of see-no-evil and self-deception. Sadly, that makes you part of the problem, not part of the solution.
Posted by Urs Aebi on July 22, 2013 12:08
Thanks for your response. We've also added it as a Postscript to the article.
Excerpts from the UK travel advisory website which have a bearing on the above story:
Posted by Pete on July 22, 2013 14:06
Selena should not be swimming in an ocean so soon after surgery, especially Patong
Posted by Tit Dr on July 22, 2013 20:27
Your stethoscope appears to be just an attempt to appear intelligent, Tit Dr. Riding a jet-ski does not involve swimming. You should get out more.
Tit Dr is having a laugh with his name equals Tit Doctor.
Posted by Fiesty Farang on July 23, 2013 00:22
Why YOU delete my talks? DEAR EDITOR.
Posted by Norway on July 23, 2013 07:29
Because, Norway, you are not a reputable commenter and your motives are highly suspicious. Your first post claimed ''About 90% off Phuket people are scammers . . .'' and continued in the same vein.
The last two comments really take the biscuit: FF needed all his brain power to work out something so simple to anyone else that he has the boldness to write about it, and Norway complains about comments being deleted. How come they were deleted if they were never there in the first place? I sometimes wonder if got onto another forum by mistake.
Posted by Pete on July 23, 2013 08:48
Sadly nothing new here. Yes we would all like the scammers shut down, that's no excuse for not taking responsibility for yourself.
Posted by Michael on July 24, 2013 17:27
In Australia, the taxis all charge for the journey you take, not for the trip back to base without a passenger as well. If Phuket fares were all cut in half, not only would the fare then be fair, but many more people would be able to book a resort in the seclusion of Rawai and ride to Patong whenever they wanted to go shopping or enjoy the nightlife. Acceptance of extortion costs Rawai dearly, and it grieves me to hear sane people argue in defence of rip-offs. At the age of 21 and 22, most of us are prime targets for price-gougers of all kinds. Kids need things explained. They deserve a break now and again, whatever the rules. Some breakfasts may be worth 500 baht . . . if there are six of you. But as you say, that's the upmarket price. Caveat emptor indeed.
The biggest scam was the 500 baht breakfast . . . (moderated)
Posted by Bors on July 24, 2013 17:47
Well, it's a what-the-market will bear thing, like the taxi fares. That's not a ''scam.'' If people are willing to pay that much . . . the rest of your moderated comment I find difficult to believe.
To editor, start your breakfast experience at the laguna hotels, but take more then 500 baht with you, it starts around 750++, I support Michael his fair comment about breakfast pricing, the editor his 5* hotel experience around the world unfortunately seems to be limited.
Posted by Eric on July 24, 2013 19:18
Was there some point to what you've just written, Eric, or was it empty of thought as usual and all about the money? Logic is clearly not on the menu anywhere you eat. Come back when you have something worth saying. Whenever.
I will clarifie in the first article you mention the above hotel with name without checking in this case the product offered(information given by the 2 ladies) for the price charged, I thought that good journalists where double checking before publishing and bringing in discredit the hotel in this particular case. The bad publicity has been given even if later you add an additional part to the article.
Posted by Eric on July 24, 2013 21:37
You are the one who is discrediting the ''hotel'' with your foolish comments, Eric. And that's shameful of you. The resort has been given the opportunity to respond and their response has been published.
I am not discrediting the hotel, just the opposite and want to say that the hotel is very gentle to not bring this to court for the prejudice you make them in your article, you should read better the reply and be more polite to your readers, I not call you foolish, I respect you more then you do when you reply my comments and the comments of other readers who have there meaning.
Posted by Eric on July 25, 2013 09:50
The resort is perfectly capable of defending its own reputation, as it has done. Your comments only add needless confusion.
It sounds to me like they just were badly educated. Coming form Australia a land so overly governed that you get a fine for leaving your car doors unlocked while parking, you really need to do some research before you come somewhere like Thailand. I agree that holidays should be "worry free" but coming from somewhere like Aus where you are not encouraged to use your brains because everything is so safe guarded a lot of this stuff is just common sense, it is still a statistically poor and emerging country. I have to agree with bigcheese on this one.
Posted by Sean on July 26, 2013 17:38
Boy, Sean, you've got some problems. A superiority complex seems to be the obvious one. If we had to impose an education test before Commenters were allowed to post on Phuketwan, you'd fail Logic, Bigotry and Bias. And that's the Kindergarten Entry Level.
Next time girl don't smile like two dumb tourist. had you been intimidated and threatened or it was just bad trip. When the situation is serious stay serious. There is a too big difference between the article itself and the way you present yourself, with a smile like that for sure the people who threatned both of you won't feel guilty.
Posted by stephane on July 26, 2013 20:49
The interview took place two days after the jet-ski incident, stephane. Australian woman don't stay serious unless they have to. Telling people to pretend seems bad advice to me.
@ stephane there are some girls in this world that love to play up to a camera
Posted by slickmelb on July 27, 2013 06:38
As you said some like to play up with camera but in my opinion smiling like that is a bad message for the one who put pressure and intimidate them these kind of problem are happening for years now and to me when i saw them it doesn't look that bad but for sure it was. There is a time for play up with cam and another to report it seriously cause these things are not funny at all.
Posted by Stephane on July 28, 2013 05:00
well they dont seem upset by the pictures? this will continue until foreigners learn not to rent the jet skis, until then they will be smiling after being scammed.
Posted by Anonymous on July 29, 2013 02:09
Posted by Ashleigh on August 12, 2013 09:50
Thanks, Ashleigh. At least with the Crime Crisis Centre, tourists and residents on Phuket now have a place to formally lodge complaints about rip-offs, scams and other Phuket diseases.
ED, I believe, though I might sound naive, that Phuket already had somewhere to lodge complaints, it's call the police, well, we know how impotent they have proven to be. This is where DSI needs to concentrate some of their investigation time, ask the WHY the police, from top to bottom, have failed in their duty.
Posted by lonewolf on August 12, 2013 10:05
That's a sweeping remark, lonewolf, a generalisation unsupported by facts. Tell us what evidence you have. Or is your comment based on barroom BS?
In august 2012 the Thai government introduced three channels for people to report corruption, phone call line no 1206, boxes to receive complaint were installed in Gov House, provincial town halls (Phuket ?), bus terminals, shopping centres etc.. and as a third channel people could report corruption at www.stopcorruption.co.th .
Posted by Sailor on August 12, 2013 11:13
That's too optimistic for me, Sailor.
Not sure who Wal Brown is that Asleigh mentions but i like him already Ed you know?
Posted by slickmelb on August 12, 2013 20:53
Wal Brown is a Region 8 police volunteer.
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